S+ 3300 Headache

[therockinelvis]

Like I said earlier. That machine is a Frankenstein. A bunch of mismatched parts.  It's a wonder Jules didn't give up on it. Lots of challenges for us too.

[Jim]

the only way to determine what strips he has is too compare the numbers or the symbols, I'm thinking the strips are the right ones, worst case , in the wrong position, but that's easy to figure out using test #4.

He needs the right SS chip for this game, and he also needs a special SP chip for this game. He needs a TYPE 20  SP chip.  This game will spin and give you an outcome, if the first and second reels have a potential winning combo  and the third reels does not, then the third reel will spin again and try to match and give you a winning combo. it also plays a little tune during that re-spin, I think it's "were in the money"   I don't have a list of SP chips that will run a type 20 game or I would have suggested one.

Good luck with your surgery, we will get this thing running.

Jim

[therockinelvis]

Now that sounds wicked cool for a S+. Kind of like Money Storm and Haywire then?

[TexasMark]

He needs a TYPE 20  SP chip.  This game will spin and give you an outcome, if the first and second reels have a potential winning combo  and the third reels does not, then the third reel will spin again and try to match and give you a winning combo. it also plays a little tune during that re-spin, I think it's "were in the money"   I don't have a list of SP chips that will run a type 20 game or I would have suggested one.

According to my list (which may not be complete or totally accurate), the following are type 20
SP810
SP1077
SP1228
SP1249

[Jules]

Thanks!
TJJ slots said the strips for both games are the same.

[TexasMark]

Thanks!
TJJ slots said the strips for both games are the same.

For which games?
It's really important to know the exact  name of games as there are some that are similar, but use different strips (and different SS chips).
 
FYI , there are several places to determine what strips are needed. The first is the "bible" which I linked to above. It will show the glass, the SS chips needed and whether or not the strips are identical for all three reels or different (i.e. AAA, AAB, ABC). Next, one can look at the PAR sheet for a specific SS chip. In this case, I used the one for SS0317 (referenced in the bible) and posted the strip layout above. And as you can see, it matches that the 3rd strip is different.
 
However, for Double 5x Pay, the bible lists all 3 strips the same (AAA) and the PAR sheet for one of those SS chips confirms that all three strips are the same.
 
So I do not know what games TJJ slots was referring to, but the strips are not the same between 2 coin Double Spin 5x Pay, and 2 coin Double 5x Pay
 
The bottom line is unless you have the proper matching glass, strips, and correct SP/SS chips, payouts are going to be all screwed up.
 
So what I would do, is swap reels 1 & 3 since they are most likely backwards. Then using that symbol list I posted earlier, see if the symbols match up (be sure you start with all 3 reels in the same spot, i.e., where the seam is) and see if they match the list. If so, then all you need is the right chips.

[Jules]

Thanks.  That info is very helpful.  Tim was referring to a Five Pay and a Double Spin Five Pay.

[Jim]

look at the reel strips, where they come together, lift that seam and read the numbers, that will tell you what strips you have. then we could figure out the rest.


Jim

[TexasMark]

look at the reel strips, where they come together, lift that seam and read the numbers, that will tell you what strips you have. then we could figure out the rest.


Jim

That will work, but I always try to do that as a last resort. Some of the older strips can get messed up depending on age and what the last owner did (I've seen some glued together).

[knagl]

TJJ slots said the strips for both games are the same.

Tim was referring to a Five Pay and a Double Spin Five Pay.

So I do not know what games TJJ slots was referring to, but the strips are not the same between 2 coin Double Spin 5x Pay, and 2 coin Double 5x Pay

Mark is right on the money here.  A standard Five Times Pay game uses the same strips for all three reels.  There's also a game called "Double Five Times Pay" which also uses the same strips for all three reels.  However, the "Double Spin Five Times Pay" game is a different beast, and uses reel strips in an "A-A-B" configuration -- that is, the first two reels are identical, and the third reel is different.

Based on the picture you provided in Reply #30, you have a 2-coin Double Spin Five Times Pay kit in your machine.


As Mark suggested, compare your reel strips to the ones he posted in Reply #39.  If the symbols of two of your strips match the first two reels, and your "odd" strip matches the third reel in his diagram, you're just about in business.  Place the "odd" reel in the 3rd reel position (regardless of what the label on the physical reel says), and once you have the correct SP and SS chips, you'll have the correct payouts and the "double spin" feature on the third reel when the reels stop and the payout could be improved without risking losing anything by spinning the third reel one more time.

Now that sounds wicked cool for a S+. Kind of like Money Storm and Haywire then?

Not exactly.  As I mentioned in the previous paragraph, the "double spin" feature kicks in when the first two reels line up for a potential win, and the third reel does not.  The third reel only will spin one more time to attempt to improve the result.  The third reel will ONLY spin if it can potentially improve the payout for the first spin, AND it won't risk losing a win that it already generated.  Some examples:

Triple Bar, Triple Bar, Single Bar -- reel 3 will NOT re-spin since it could land on a blank and negate the mixed bar win
Triple Bar, Red 7, Triple Bar -- reel 3 will NOT re-spin since it cannot improve the result (zero)

Triple Bar, Triple Bar, Blank - reel 3 will re-spin as the outcome can be improved without risk of losing anything
Triple Bar, Single Bar, Red 7 - reel 3 will re-spin as the outcome can be improved without risk of losing anything
Cherry, Blank, Red 7 - reel 3 will re-spin as the outcome can be improved (a 5x Pay symbol will improve the cherry payout) without risk of losing anything

[therockinelvis]

WOW, thanks for all that information. This will be in my mind forever. Hope to come across one of these in the future. I would have been flipping had I got one to repair and seeing that third reel do it's thing. It sounds like JULES got a headache and a really COOL machine too.

[Ken]

The reel strip without a cherry on it goes on reel 3.

[Ken]

WOW, thanks for all that information. This will be in my mind forever. Hope to come across one of these in the future. I would have been flipping had I got one to repair and seeing that third reel do it's thing. It sounds like JULES got a headache and a really COOL machine too.

I have a 3 coin chop top award glass and reel strips. Not sure where the belly glass is.

[Jules]

I now have my reels numbered left to right 1 to 3 instead of right to left 1 to 3 and the reel without the cherry is on the far right.  Now when I get the right chips and the replacement knife and agitator I should be in business.
Thanks! for all the kind comments.

[therockinelvis]

Try to do a video of it. I would like to see it in action.

[Shaggy]

Me too. It sounds like a fun game.

[knagl]

I now have my reels numbered left to right 1 to 3 instead of right to left 1 to 3 and the reel without the cherry is on the far right.

There you go -- that's the correct configuration anyway.

Reel 1, Reel 2, Reel 3 (in that order)