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Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« on: October 31, 2015, 06:48:22 AM »
I have a WMS BB1 that has slight screen flicker.  I have tried changing the monitor, monitor cable and the power supply but it still persists.

I have a backplane coming to try next.

If that does not take care of it I will find a different CPU.

Has anyone run in to this before?

Any thoughts?

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Re: Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« Reply #1 on: October 31, 2015, 07:11:24 AM »
Yes!!! 


My BB1-1.5 cabinet has the same very slight flicker which started up when I changed the monitor out due to excessive "tar" behind the touch screen.  It seems to stop after the machine has been on for about half an hour.


I am assuming it is a problem with the monitor itself...................still better than the "tar" from the original.


Aging of the monitor basically.


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Re: Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« Reply #2 on: October 31, 2015, 08:25:23 AM »
Bryan, is it a Kristel 19" LCD?  I think I know what you're talking about.  It's a slight flicker...very slight.  When some games are sitting idle I notice it, but when I spin the reels, I don't notice it.

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Re: Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« Reply #3 on: October 31, 2015, 08:45:38 AM »
Quote from: Yoeddy1 on October 31, 2015, 08:25:23 AM
Bryan, is it a Kristel 19" LCD?  I think I know what you're talking about.  It's a slight flicker...very slight.  When some games are sitting idle I notice it, but when I spin the reels, I don't notice it.

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Re: Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« Reply #4 on: November 01, 2015, 09:30:10 AM »
I'll have to try that.  Yeah, this flicker is almost like a refresh rate issue that you'd see on a PC if the video settings are incorrect.  I played around with it, but didn't see any difference.  I'd be curios if the same thing happened between an NXT1 and NXT2 board with the same game. 

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Re: Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« Reply #5 on: November 01, 2015, 09:42:05 AM »
NTX2 CPU uses DVI so no flicker
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Re: Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« Reply #6 on: November 01, 2015, 10:16:02 AM »
I have been living with it for a while myself.  And as it happens it IS on my BB1.5 dual screen so the DVI input IS being used.


My thoughts are as I mentioned before, aging backlight tubes in the monitor itself. It does go away and become "flicker free" after about 30 min of warm up time.


At one point I suspected a weakening PSU or faulty power connection, so I unplugged the molex that brings power and touch signals, cleaned it with spray contact cleaner, and plugged it back in.


I would swear that helped for a bit, but it may just have been the usual "warm up" time????




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Re: Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« Reply #7 on: November 01, 2015, 10:23:30 AM »
Must be the monitors then, I am using Ceronix and they are flicker free.
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Re: Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« Reply #8 on: November 01, 2015, 10:39:34 AM »
Quote from: idesign on November 01, 2015, 10:23:30 AM
Must be the monitors then, I am using Ceronix and they are flicker free.

Does anyone have a good source for new monitors?
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Re: Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« Reply #9 on: November 01, 2015, 11:07:54 AM »
There was a supposedly "new in box" one on the auction site, but I don't see it now. 


You can try some of the NLG vendors perhaps, but "new" ones are going to be scarce.........


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Perhaps try this????
http://www.ebay.com/itm/19-LCD-FOR-WMS-BLUEBIRD-1-COMPLETE-WITH-TOUCHSCREEN-CONTROLLER-/281816196912?hash=item419d8de730:g:9AsAAOSwuMFUiMOI
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Re: Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« Reply #10 on: November 01, 2015, 11:18:17 AM »
I have a new 19" ceronix conversion kit with bezel and mounting hardware.  Wide view model CPA3092.  I bought it to convert a reel machine but ended up going direct to BB2 so not gonna be using it.  Less than half of what I paid for it at $250 plus shipping if interested.


MONITOR HAS BEEN SOLD.  THANKS.
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Re: Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« Reply #11 on: November 11, 2015, 06:03:24 AM »
You would be amazed at what recapping the A/D board in those old monitors can accomplish...
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Re: Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« Reply #12 on: November 11, 2015, 06:19:12 AM »
Quote from: jonm287 on November 11, 2015, 06:03:24 AM
You would be amazed at what recapping the A/D board in those old monitors can accomplish...

Sounds like a good winter project, other than the caps do you change anything else?
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Re: Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« Reply #13 on: November 11, 2015, 07:03:38 AM »
No, generally the caps dry out/bulge and cause all kinds of issues.  It's honestly a 10 minute job.  I'd tell you what kind of caps they are but I don't have any more bb1 monitors to check.  90% of the time that'll fix any issue with the monitor.  The other 10% you'll have to look at the invertor board.  the less than 1% would be the a/d board firmware going bad.
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Re: Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2016, 01:37:32 AM »
Just to add to the thread, the same game with the slight flicker in an NXT1 MPU, does not flicker at all when I throw it on an NXT2. in the same machine.

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Re: Bluebird 1 screen flicker
« Reply #15 on: January 17, 2016, 11:52:29 AM »
And for what it's worth, I also changed the cable from VGA to DVI.

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