Author Topic: Bally EM 1090 all pays accurate except 3 BARS pays nothing. (Read 9467 times)

Longoverdue · « **on:** March 17, 2016, 07:10:32 PM »

Hi Everyone, I was wondering if someone had an idea why all steps and combinations pay correctly except the 3 BARS.? It may be a broken wire..but I haven't ran into it yet?

Thanks Longoverdue

RiseLikeRa · « **Reply #1 on:** March 17, 2016, 09:51:51 PM »

Long:

I had the same problem with my 1090 about 5 years ago. At the advice of an Ace Mechanic I examined the wiper fingers on the back of the reel bundle. Turns out that at least one set of finger were not making good contact. After some careful alignment, cleaning with a 3m pad, and slight finger bending I have never had the problem again.

My advice is free and worth every penny

Ra

Amechanic · « **Reply #2 on:** March 17, 2016, 10:31:37 PM »

Ra.. Thanks for the kind word.

Question.. Do the BARS pay anything? It could be the same problem like Ra machine, where you have a wiper contact worn, or bent just enough so that it's not contacting the board. The other problem could be on the payout unit. You have the same type of wipers. I'm guessing your Bars pay 100..

RiseLikeRa · « **Reply #3 on:** March 18, 2016, 05:14:27 AM »

Yes. You are correct. Bars pay 100. I added all of the challenges that could face the wipers that I would look at BEFORE I stared pulling on 40 year old wires. I also had success in my own case by messing with the wipers.

Ra

OldReno · « **Reply #4 on:** March 18, 2016, 12:16:33 PM »

does the machine pay on fruit/bars?
If reel wipers look ok, then check your outboard pay wiper on the paydisc.
You can meter it to the (F)eed tab on the board and if you get continuity, then it's probably good;.
Look for broken 100 pay wire to hopper board (81 wire?) black red, or a broken jumper behind the payboard, but you can meter those to check quickly.
How about a picture of the award card and pays?

jimliner · « **Reply #5 on:** March 18, 2016, 01:52:36 PM »

I am not familiar with 1090 but had the same problem with a model 962. See post (still on 1st page) 962 no 100 coin pays for bars. All other pays were good. Guys here are great with helping out.

Longoverdue · « **Reply #6 on:** March 18, 2016, 04:24:04 PM »

Yes all fruit pays..the BARS is the only pay line that doesn't pay ..picture attached.
I checked wipers for alignment ..but didnt have my continuity tester yesterday. .so will check that today. Thank you

Longoverdue · « **Reply #7 on:** March 18, 2016, 04:36:56 PM »

Well.. I guess I cannot get my picture to attach but I have a picture of it in my profile ..

Longoverdue · « **Reply #8 on:** March 18, 2016, 04:41:03 PM »

Paying for BARS on this machine is ...
1st coin 50. 2nd is 100. And 3rd is 150

one other thing I have just realized..

it pays "Orange-Orange-Bar" AND "BAR-Orange-Orange"

Jon · « **Reply #9 on:** March 18, 2016, 05:23:58 PM »

I am guessing old Reno is right your outboard wiper is there any on the pay board
if you need me to post some pictures of what I'm talking about just ask I will be glad to go up to the shop grab a hopper and show you

Amechanic · « **Reply #10 on:** March 18, 2016, 05:34:07 PM »

When you said orange orange bar & bar orange orange, that what my machine was. My was the third reel wipers contact. It looked like it was touching, but not enough to make a good contact

Jon · « **Reply #11 on:** March 18, 2016, 05:53:51 PM »

yes Gary you are right too it can very well be wipers the first thing I do when I get a machine in the shop I tear down the real I clean it I tear down the hopper I clean it then I put a coin in

Longoverdue · « **Reply #12 on:** March 18, 2016, 06:28:22 PM »

Jon, I think I would need a picture if you don't mind..I am kinda a visual guy ..

I am thinking that the 1st and 3rd BAR must be making contact , because they never mis-pay when they are combined with the Oranges ..
Thanks again guys !

Longoverdue

Jon · « **Reply #13 on:** March 18, 2016, 06:33:43 PM »

there is two outboard wipers this is one of them if you go from the 50 Terminal to the F terminal it should show a dead short zero resistance they easily get dirty and do not function I take the entire thing apart and clean every bit of it with a red 3M pad

DavidLee · « **Reply #14 on:** March 18, 2016, 09:23:04 PM »

Set up 3 bars, then meter across the wiper contacts. Should have continuity from the 90 wire located near the top of the third reel wiper board all the way across to the 1st reel. From there to the payout step up unit.
The only suspect would be the center bar as it pays L To R and R to L on two orange / bar payoutS. You might want to try the other fruit / bells-bar set up just to confirm. Then onto the payout step up for continuity. Looking closely at the 3 bars payout contacts and corresponding strips.

Longoverdue · « **Reply #15 on:** March 20, 2016, 07:24:11 PM »

I did find a Red with an Orange tracer, (17) on the #1 wiper that is loose..
It looks like it may belong on the 4th or 5th post on the top row (counting from the rear) can someone tell me where that is soldered to please.
Is there a wire schematic for the 1090 someplace in our archives or one that I could buy from someone?

DavidLee · « **Reply #16 on:** March 20, 2016, 08:12:40 PM »

Photos of 1090 wipers

Amechanic · « **Reply #17 on:** March 20, 2016, 08:29:58 PM »

Quote from: Longoverdue on March 20, 2016, 07:24:11 PM

I did find a Red with an Orange tracer, (17) on the #1 wiper that is loose..
It looks like it may belong on the 4th or 5th post on the top row (counting from the rear) can someone tell me where that is soldered to please.
Is there a wire schematic for the 1090 someplace in our archives or one that I could buy from someone?

Post a picture of your find.. The loose wire should have bends or memory, and it should almost tell you where it belongs.

OldReno · « **Reply #18 on:** March 21, 2016, 10:58:30 AM »

As Amechanic says, look for wire memory. Obviously it won't go to a connection that the wire won't reach to (normally)
You should look carefully for a spot where it looks as tho someone had soldered onto but has no wire attached.
Also you should look for a jumper from the connection down to the wiper board buttons. Each wire going to the reel boards has a jumper going down to the buttons.
The top area of solder posts is put there for the connections between the button leads and the wire connects.
In other words, it would be far far too hard to wire these connecting wires which go between the reel boards directly to the buttons.
Look for a jumper from a button to a connection that has no wire leaving to another reel.
Hope that makes sense, but I don't quite know how else to put it this morning.
Gotta run.

Longoverdue · « **Reply #19 on:** March 22, 2016, 04:24:20 PM »

Each post has a single wire, and a jumper the last post on right has no wire and no jumper.. so this loose wire must double up on one.

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