809 connector?

[filounet]

Hello, I just bought this machine which is an 809 but unfortunately tinkered ☹
There is a connection that seems to be waiting for a relay or something else but I have never seen this so if someone can help me find out what is missing (relay, socket, something else???)
I have another problem, I don't have the diagram, and the cables at the top for the lights are all disconnected and some wires connected directly so if you have the same machine with the same connections I'm interested...
Thanks for your help

[Pinballwizard55]

All of those additions seem to my eye to not be factory installed. Could be alarm wiring or security wiring that is probably not necessary. That would be my guess anyway. Good luck , the wizard.

[David Walz]

Looks like a mess of wires.

[wolftalk]

an 809 would have had an insert in the top compartment with the units for doing the 5 coin payout multiplication.  I assume it's been converted to a single/no coin machine.

more pictures would be good, especially the entire front of the game with the glass installed.

the 25 pin connector could be anything ... depends what the machine was used for.  Typical stuff around the casinos were free spin machines for marketing or tournament games that accumulated wins on an external device.  You'd need to see where all the wires go to make a guess at what it was doing if there's nothing obvious from the glass or reel tapes.

[filounet]

Looking closer I noticed twice that it is registered 785D so is it a machine made of 758D parts with an 809 top glass?
All unfortunately too tinkered with more recent mechanical and electrical additions?
Here are some photos to give you an idea
Thanks

[filounet]

 

[filounet]

 

[David Walz]

I suggest you disassemble the whole thing, then list all of the Bally parts, and find out what is missing.

[wolftalk]

looks like someone converted a 785 to an 809.  The 16 pin beau plug in the top compartment is correct for a 785.

the lamp panel behind the top glass is custom made - they did a good job with the light shield strips.

the main pieces an 809 would need is a coin unit to keep track of the number of coins and a way to multiply the payout.  The appliance timer unit could do one or both of those functions ... you'd need to reverse-engineer the wiring on it. 

the hopper is mechanically stepped - tho it may be both mechanical and electrical.  You'd need to see if there's a step-up solenoid on the ratchet/gear side.  If it's just mechanically stepped, then more stuff is needed to do payout multiplication as the payout counter would need to be reset so the game can pay again (i.e. the bally circuit that used an odds follower unit).  It's possible the timer handled that as well.

the m-645-96 payout disc was used on some 785 and 809 models.

do the reel tapes have 7's on them, or is the triple-bars the highest pay?

the top coin entry plate is interesting.  If there was a mechanism in there to handle coins, is there a way for coins to get from the top to the hopper or dumped into a cabinet below the machine? 

for the hopper plug, you'd want to take pictures or write down the wire colors on each pin, and whether they are bally wires or going to the extra socket.  If a pin wire goes to both the bally harness and the extra socket, you want to know that also.  Also look at the hopper plug and see if it looks like wires are original or they'd been moved around.

probably the simplest thing - besides just parting out the machine - is to make the machine one-coin only.  Nothing in the top compartment would be needed and you'd just wire the left column of lights to always be on.  More-or-less turn the game into a 742A.