How can I tell what machine I have?

[tmzebra1]

How do you tell the difference between a fortune 1, fortune 2 or PE?  I just got a 1993 25 cent draw poker and I haven't a clue.  It says model # IA70CB.  Thanks.

[knagl]

If you can post a few pictures of the inside and outside of the machine, we should be able to determine what model of machine you have.

[tmzebra1]

Any help, greatly appreciated!  Thanks.

[CVslots]

Judging from the date and the presence of a validator, it is more than likely a PE+. A PE (no plus) would not have a validator.

[knagl]

Agreed, that's an IGT Player's Edge Plus (PE+) machine.  I'll move this topic to the PE+ section.

[BrianT]

You can simply turn the Jackpot Reset key until you get the screen that shows:

GAME PROGRAM        PPxxxx

PE (non plus) will show:
GAME PROGRAM        PKxxxx (or PPxxxx)

PE Plus (non superboards) will show:
GAME PROGRAM        PPxxxx

PE Plus (superboards) will show:
DATA PROM ID     X00xxxxP
GAME PROM ID     XP000xxx

What does your machine show?  Based on the Standard Draw Poker and the 5/8 payout (as shown on the glass) it could be any of the following BA paytable games: PP0197, PP0230, PP0419 or less likely PP0001 or PP0116. You might also have a superboard in there then it would be the equivalent X000197P or X000419P DATA rom.  Of course all that is only possible if the board that matches the paytable glass hasn't been swapped out or had it's game chips changed.

I see the machine has a card reader, are the card backs branded to a particular casino or the standard red ones?

This screen would also tell you the CG (Character Graphics roms) under the line "CHARACTER PROGRAM" and would be CGxxxx.

BrianT

[knagl]

I see the machine has a card reader, are the card backs branded to a particular casino or the standard red ones?

For what it's worth, the text on the machine next to the card reader indicates that this machine was from the MGM Grand.

[tmzebra1]

Thank you all for the help! It is from the MGM. 
Right now the machine lights up when I turn it on, but the monitor isn't working.  The man who I bought it from told me he had it for years and it was working but within the last 6 months, the screen was reading "Door Open", "Call Attendant" and "Low Battery", but now the screen will not come on.  He also told me one of the "HOLD" buttons wasn't working and that it needed some part that the wire goes into, but I'm not sure what that's even called or how to fix that.

Someone told me there was a 9 volt battery somewhere inside, but I can't find that either. 

I would like to get in touch with someone in my area who knows how to fix these machines, but I'm having trouble locating such a person.  I have another post on this site asking if anyone knows of a tech in the Massachusetts area that I could contact.



Again, any help on any of this so appreciated.  Thanks.

[Amechanic]

The only battery I know of is the 3.6V battery located on the MPU main board..

Gary

[knagl]

The only battery I know of is the 3.6V battery located on the MPU main board..

Agreed.  There is no 9v battery in a PE+.

Did the monitor ever work while the machine was in your possession?

Let's start with the basics.  With the power off, remove the monitor assembly (there should be cutouts in the metal on either side of the monitor as handles). 

DANGER: even with the power off and the monitor removed from the machine, the monitor and the capacitors on the monitor chassis can still potentially carry a deadly charge.  Do not touch the components on the back of the monitor or the chassis unless you have discharged the monitor first.  Do a Google search for discharging a CRT monitor for more information.

With the monitor assembly removed, check the male and female plugs that connect the monitor chassis to the machine to ensure that there's nothing blocking them from making a good connection, no bent pins, etc.  Then, replace the monitor back into the machine, taking care to ensure that the plug on the back of the monitor chassis is correctly mating with the plug on the back of the machine.

Now try turning on the power and see if you get an image at all, or even any kind of display on the monitor (even if it's only a flash as power is applied or disconnected).  The more you can tell us about what it's doing or not doing, the more we can do to try and help you get it fixed.

[Amechanic]

Knagl,  I think on this machine the monitor assembly has the power and video plug on the bottom front left corner that needs to be disconnected before you can remove the monitor for inspection.. I you look at the inside picture you can see the 8 wire cable. It looks like a Ceronix setup, either a 1490 or 1492 by the look of the monitor adjustment board on the top right side. If it is a Ceronix 1492 or maybe 1490 they can be repaired buy Ceronix for I think around $65.00 with a warranty.

Gary

[tmzebra1]

The monitor never came on when the machine was in my position.  I don't think it's a good idea for me to try to remove the monitor assembly myself, as I have no training in electrical stuff at all!  I appreciate you trying to help me, but I think I'm going to keep trying to find someone I can take the machine too to have them fix it.  At least I know I wasn't crazy trying to find a 9v battery in there!!  Thanks again everyone.

[Jim]

typically if the monitor was bad, the game would still be able to be played, you just never see anything. but the fact that the previous owner told you there was a low battery warning on the screen. the game will not work until that is taken care of.

when you power up the game you should be able to feel some static electricity if you run your hand across the face of the picture tube, typically you will see a bright flash in the center of the tube when you turn power off, this indicates that the high voltage is good.

so looking at the pictures, you have a PE+ poker machine with a DBV 145 bill head.   with possible problems, monitor out, battery on the board, won't take new bills due to age of bill head, and possible some switches won't work because of the series nature of the set up.

up side, whoever you find to work on this machine, both tube and chassis are available, battery issue is a common problem, and there are switch and buttons available, if you want the bill acceptor to work, there are up grades available  as well, (DVB 200 head) hope fully the transport section works. and if you want to get crazy, you could upgrade to super board and have 5 poker games to select from. 

all depends how much you want to invest to get it running!

hope this helps

Jim

[tmzebra1]

Jim, great information and insight! Thanks. 

Now that you mentioned it, I thought I did see a bright flash of light on the screen when I turned the power off.

Do you know if it's very involved in replacing the battery?  In looking at my inside photo, am I able to see the battery?  Or is it buried inside somewhere?  Like I said earlier, I'm not very comfortable in messing around in the machine because I wouldn't want to break anything else! 

It's also good to know that it can be updated to taking the newer bills cause I do know it's from 1993.

I also like the fact that I do have the option available of adding 5 other games! 

Thank you again.

[Jim]

sent you a pm

[knagl]

Knagl,  I think on this machine the monitor assembly has the power and video plug on the bottom front left corner that needs to be disconnected before you can remove the monitor for inspection.. I you look at the inside picture you can see the 8 wire cable.

Gary, I'm sure you're correct.  My PE+ is a bartop, and I thought for sure there was a connector like you described for the uprights (I've only been inside an upright once), but I couldn't for the life of me spot it in his pictures until you pointed it out.  Thanks for the correction.

(For the record, on my bartop, and I believe on the slant top machines, it uses a connector that is mounted to the back of the monitor assembly -- you just slide the whole assembly in and out.)

[Amechanic]

My 2002 IGT Game King slant top still uses the same drop in monitor assembly as your PE+.. I converted my machines 19" CRT to LCD a while back.. I did that for two reason, first for picture quality, but also to reduce strain on my back by not having that extra 75 lbs of dead weight!! You could say I put my machine on a diet!!

Gary