No "Insert Coin"

[ramegoom]

If there is even one byte of data missing or wrong on any of the program chips, the CPU will set an error code, so I don't think the P1 would have corrupt data, as long as the game plays.

No idea why it's doing that. I hope someday someone here on the list can contribute "hacking" data that can allow us to modify the RNG, or limit it somewhat so our home machines will win with better odds. Or, add a few bells and cherries to the strips and have the program recognize them, upping the payout odds.

Gotta be some retired Bally software guys here...

[sudsy7]

Well, I replaced the -133 chip with the -102 chip and the result was no change (insert coin lamp still does not work). 

Ramegoom - when you get back to town, can you double-check that your Insert Coin light works on your machines with the 583784 installed?  I could be wrong, but everything I've tried points to that chip not being programmed correctly.

If anyone else happens to have a machine that uses the 583784 chip, please let me know if your Insert Coin light works as well.

[ramegoom]

OK, the machine that has this chip in it is a 5 line 3 coin machine, and I only have one like it. Went to turn it on, and a bank of resistors on the IO board went up in smoke...so I need to find the problem before it happens again. I believe I did have the coin-in light but now I can't be sure.

I'll let you know.

[cyenergy]

No there is a lockout coil on the comp. it is energized when a coin is accepted and de-energized when max bet is reached so yea maybe that would work.

[cyenergy]

oh yea after the first coin passes the abc optic it is then energized so idle there is no power to coil on cc. so no insert coin in idle state.

[sudsy7]

oh yea after the first coin passes the abc optic it is then energized so idle there is no power to coil on cc. so no insert coin in idle state.

You lost me.  Are we talking about a Series E here? I don't have an electronic coin comparator or anything like that - just a simple coin mech that has a NO/NC Cherry switch with a wireform arm that actuates the switch as it passes by on it's way to the hopper.

[sudsy7]

My machine has an AS-2980-5600 I/O board.  I notice there is also an AS-2980-5500 I/O board for these machines as well.  I wonder if that would make any difference.  Anyone know what is different between them?

[dhellis]

My machine has an AS-2980-5600 I/O board.  I notice there is also an AS-2980-5500 I/O board for these machines as well.  I wonder if that would make any difference.  Anyone know what is different between them?

I have seen a number of boards marked AS2980-5500 and a number marked AS2980-5600, the circuit board is
electrically the same. All but one of these boards looked exactly like the other which really means that those
that say -5500 are really 5600 unless you notice that  these components are missing.

R1A thru R6A
R13A thru R18A
R16A thru R31A

C1 thru C6
C13 thru C19
C16 thru C31

The true 5500 board will not have the LM555 (U18) timer and the decoder proms U10 and U15 use
part numbers E751-24 and E751-25 (the 5600 board uses E751-4 in both sockets)

The 5500 is really intended to be an additional IO board when a machine needs more ports than provided
by the 5600.

So says the FO-650-25 manual for the K661 tester.

[Sunrise Side]

Is this the difference between I/O boards? I was talking with another NLG member about I/O and this is what they were described as- "I/o enhanced boards (board that amplifies or duplicates output for sound board."  Or am I on the wrong track and this is reference to the small piggyback board plugged into the I/O for sound ribbon cable connection? Is there two different I/O 's one for example E1000 and enhanced I/O for E2000  with sound ?

[dhellis]

Is this the difference between I/O boards? I was talking with another NLG member about I/O and this is what they were described as- "I/o enhanced boards (board that amplifies or duplicates output for sound board."  Or am I on the wrong track and this is reference to the small piggyback board plugged into the I/O for sound ribbon cable connection? Is there two different I/O 's one for example E1000 and enhanced I/O for E2000  with sound ?

The differences that I described are what is stated in the tester manual. I don't know that it is enhanced I/O or not
and I have really only seen one. Normally what I see when someone has a sound card is a very small board on
the other 16 pin socket. That small board provides additional buffering.

[sudsy7]

Would anyone have any Bally literature to see if there are any other program chips beside the 583784, that would work on a 5 line pay with reels M231-186, -187, and -188?

[sudsy7]

Unbelievable!!! The machine was getting susceptible to power flucuations (when the central air conditioner would turn on, I noticed the machine would reset itself).  So I put in a brand new power supply board, which not only cured the reset issue, but now the insert coin lamp works like it should, too!  I don't see how replacement of the power supply could relate to the insert coin lamp, but I'm not going to argue with the result.  Thanks to all who helped me on this issue!
 
 

[MarkInAz]

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