Bally 809-ZZN Full Restoration.

[David Walz]

  Not bad news just a bump in the road, I have a great motor for the hopper, however the motor gear is not working. No biggie I'll order the correct motor for the hopper.

Seems like I'm getting somewhere with the Slot Machine, its looking awesome.

I'm working on the lockout coil. I determined that the coil was toast, and I replaced it with a good coil. I tested it and it is working with a jumper. Now I have to find the power source the wiring is dead somewhere. 

[David Walz]

Well I started at the coin lockout coil, through the door and ended up at the upper cabinet. The odds unit is where it ends, and from what I can see someone has been screwing around with the wiring, basically it's not attached to anything.  Another problem to resolve.

[David Walz]

BTW: I'm trying to keep everything organized in my work area, and the slot machine free of clutter.

[David Walz]

Forget about my wiring.

[David Walz]

Working on the upper cabinet, the Odds Unit. The problem was the coin lockout coil was dead. I made a sketch to help me locate the wire travel to the upper cabinet. The wire was going in the wrong direction in the upper cabinet. Thankfully I found the original wire and was able to restore the wiring path. It took awhile, since I didn't have the original wiring diagram, I had to just take my time and keep tracing wires.

  Wolftalk has been keeping me pointed in the right direction, he's really good at the slot machines.
I just sit down and read everything, write down notes, follow the path and solve the issues. Admittedly I do sometimes have to restart sometimes since the slot machine is 50+ years old, the wiring is difficult to read, it's old, faded, stained, some wires are not factory installed, and I don't have the original wiring diagram, but I really enjoy it.

[David Walz]

The odds plate wiring took some time to figure out, ferret out the wrong wires.

[David Walz]

More pictures, it's really a lot of wiring to check out, clean the contacts, solder broken wires.

[David Walz]

Obviously, I had a lot of cleaning to do, I am not in the squeaky clean business, I just clean it up and get it working smooth.

[David Walz]

Just a reminder, here in beautiful Alaska, we don't have the luxury of the lower 48 to buy Bally slot machines. We don't have a whole lot of slot machines to pick from, so when one appears you grab it. This slot machine wasn't in the worst condition, it was a great candidate for restoring. The only negative thing is that the slot machine was stored in a warehouse with no heat, that alone is not good for the slot machine. The belly glass paint was affected by the cold, parts were showing surface rust, most of the lubrication was dried up and hard as a rock. Of course the hopper was missing and I built one. Time will tell if everything has paid off and the slot machine will operate again.

[DavidLee]

Great save!

[David Walz]

Upper cabinet bulb sockets came in today. It's A "Bally" replacement for the old sockets. I worked hard to save all of the old parts and set them in place just as before. 

[David Walz]

So, I am still ferreting out a wire, it's a elusive bugger. I started with the door, to the upper cabinet and supposedly through the hopper. It definitely has been a circus.

It's not all that hard to figure out, just time consuming. Having to: tracing wires, making sure wires are correct, that they have power going through them, that the switches are making full contact. Checking the beau plugs.

[DavidLee]

This is from a different schematic.
36 is used once.
Not sure if it will help in your situation.

[wolftalk]

there's some ambiguity with 36-1.   All the 809 schematics I have show 36-1 where david's image shows ... which doesn't connect to anything on the hopper.  All have 36-1 on the hopper plug.

other models have 36-1 connecting to the "open at X step" switch on the payout counter - the vertical stack of switches on the spiral cam side.  Those switches are typically only used on games with complicated payout schedules.  When 36-1 is used for that, it typically does connect thru the hopper plug to a relay in the cabinet.  However, the wire in the insert coin lamp circuit becomes 36-2.

I'd chalk this one up to a change bally made or an anticipation of a need and a screwup with the wire id instance number and don't worry about where the pin on the hopper plug may have gone on the hopper.

if you've verified that the 36-1 pin on the hopper plug is really connecting to 36-1 on the coin relay, reel mech C-2 and odds unit open-at-4th switch, there's nothing on the hopper that would need to connect to that circuit.

[David Walz]

there's some ambiguity with 36-1.   All the 809 schematics I have show 36-1 where david's image shows ... which doesn't connect to anything on the hopper.  All have 36-1 on the hopper plug.

other models have 36-1 connecting to the "open at X step" switch on the payout counter - the vertical stack of switches on the spiral cam side).  Those switches are typically only used on games with complicated payout schedules.  When 36-1 is used for that, it typically does connect thru the hopper plug to a relay in the cabinet.  However, the wire in the insert coin lamp circuit becomes 36-2.

I'd chalk this one up to a change bally made or an anticipation of a need and a screwup with the wire id instance number and don't worry about where the pin on the hopper plug may have gone on the hopper.

if you've verified that the 36-1 pin on the hopper plug is really connecting to 36-1 on the coin relay, reel mech C-2 and odds unit open-at-4th switch, there's nothing on the hopper that would need to connect to that circuit.

It may be a Mint Casino wiring, will see what I can dig up.

[David Walz]

Actually, my cat Sabrina, and I will dig something up.

[David Walz]

This is from a different schematic.
36 is used once.
Not sure if it will help in your situation.

Thanks.

[wolftalk]

It may be a Mint Casino wiring, will see what I can dig up.

nope.  Every 809 I have a schematic for shows 36-1 connecting to the hopper.  They also all show 36-1 as "insert coin" circuit wire.

if you really want to know, you may have to find someone with an 809 and get them to see if the pin is connected on their hopper and to what.

I'd guess that if there is a wire on that hopper pin, the other end is near the payout counter but isn't attached to anything.

[David Walz]

It may be a Mint Casino wiring, will see what I can dig up.

nope.  Every 809 I have a schematic for shows 36-1 connecting to the hopper.  They also all show 36-1 as "insert coin" circuit wire.

if you really want to know, you may have to find someone with an 809 and get them to see if the pin is connected on their hopper and to what.

I'd guess that if there is a wire on that hopper pin, the other end is near the payout counter but isn't attached to anything.

I'm checking out the reel wiring, to see what's going on with the wiring, making sure nothing is switched around. The upper cabinet wiring looks pretty good, the casino did have something extra, that I can tell.

 I am definitely in my element, just enjoying the hunt for a solution.

The major issue is sometimes you get a positive response on a wire, and it's feedback from another wire in the system. Eventually I will figure it out, what do you expect from a slot machine that hasn't worked in decades, probably pushed around from place to place, anything can be a problem until I can find it and repair it. 

[wolftalk]

The major issue is sometimes you get a positive response on a wire, and it's feedback from another wire in the system. Eventually I will figure it out, what do you expect from a slot machine that hasn't worked in decades, probably pushed around from place to place, anything can be a problem until I can find it and repair it. 

not sure what ya mean there.  If you're using continuity or a buzzer to trace wiring, you should also pay attention to the resistance reading (ohms).  'course, you need to use a meter than shows it. 

anything over a couple ohms usually means you are detecting a circuit path through a load (lamp, motor, transformer, coil).  If you were expecting to have the probes on two points on the same wire, then either there's a cruddy plug connection, it's not the same wire or the wire is broken somewhere.