Bally 809-ZZN Full Restoration.

[DavidLee]

Might have a 809 machine in the shop.
Will take a look asap.

Just got this old clunker going.
Space Jet Bell.

[David Walz]

The major issue is sometimes you get a positive response on a wire, and it's feedback from another wire in the system. Eventually I will figure it out, what do you expect from a slot machine that hasn't worked in decades, probably pushed around from place to place, anything can be a problem until I can find it and repair it. 

not sure what ya mean there.  If you're using continuity or a buzzer to trace wiring, you should also pay attention to the resistance reading (ohms).  'course, you need to use a meter than shows it. 

anything over a couple ohms usually means you are detecting a circuit path through a load (lamp, motor, transformer, coil).  If you were expecting to have the probes on two points on the same wire, then either there's a cruddy plug connection, it's not the same wire or the wire is broken somewhere.

I have my trusty meter, my deaf ears, I try to isolate each wire to get a accurate reading.

I have been searching for the issue on the coin block solenoid being dead, tracing the wire has me going through the upper cabinet wiring, through the hopper, back up to the upper cabinet, through the reels, and back up through the upper cabinet.  And that's where I'm at now.

I noticed the reels wiring has been altered, I need to figure that out also.

[David Walz]

This is the reel mechanism, the one switch has the added wires.

[DavidLee]

809-K schematic shows 36 in the 6 volt system.

[David Walz]

809-K schematic shows 36 in the 6 volt system.

I've been studying it until my eyes went cross eyed. But I found the issue, power is restored. On to the next problem. 

[David Walz]

Ok, so this is the issue, the first two sets of lights from the left side in the upper cabinet are on. I have noticed that the upper cabinet has some extra wiring that was not factory. On with the diagnosis. 

[David Walz]

I can manually advance the lights.

[David Walz]

Might have a 809 machine in the shop.
Will take a look asap.

Just got this old clunker going.
Space Jet Bell.

It would be really awesome if you took some pictures so I can see what was added to the slot machine.

[wolftalk]

Ok, so this is the issue, the first two sets of lights from the left side in the upper cabinet are on. I have noticed that the upper cabinet has some extra wiring that was not factory. On with the diagnosis. 

that's right.  The leftmost lights are GI (general illumination) ... they are always on.  The remaining 5 columns are for 1-5 coins played.

when the odds unit is reset, that's equivalent to 1 coin played.

pictures of any other version of an 809 may not help you since there's obviously differences between the games.  If you have wires that do not appear to be factory wires, you're better off posting pictures of them and tracing where they go.  Then it's possible to figure out why someone added them.

in your post 282, you put an arrow pointing to the reel mech B switch.  There's no obvious added wire in the pic.  There is an out-of-harness yellow/something wire on a reel mech A switch ... where does it go and what color are the wires on the A switch it's attached to?

[David Walz]

Ok, so this is the issue, the first two sets of lights from the left side in the upper cabinet are on. I have noticed that the upper cabinet has some extra wiring that was not factory. On with the diagnosis. 

that's right.  The leftmost lights are GI (general illumination) ... they are always on.  The remaining 5 columns are for 1-5 coins played.

when the odds unit is reset, that's equivalent to 1 coin played.

pictures of any other version of an 809 may not help you since there's obviously differences between the games.  If you have wires that do not appear to be factory wires, you're better off posting pictures of them and tracing where they go.  Then it's possible to figure out why someone added them.

in your post 282, you put an arrow pointing to the reel mech B switch.  There's no obvious added wire in the pic.  There is an out-of-harness yellow/something wire on a reel mech A switch ... where does it go and what color are the wires on the A switch it's attached to?

OK, will get started and report back.

[David Walz]

Top shelf wiring.

The light is on from the contact plate. Lifting up the finger and the light goes off. The wire that is where it goes to, is a 35 wire, more work needed.

[wolftalk]

the top insert board should always have two columns of lamps lit.    The left column is always lit ... it's illuminating the glass panel that says "on center line" at the top.

one of the other 5 columns is always lit depending on the position of the odds unit (number of coins played).

[David Walz]

the top insert board should always have two columns of lamps lit.    The left column is always lit ... it's illuminating the glass panel that says "on center line" at the top.

one of the other 5 columns is always lit depending on the position of the odds unit (number of coins played).

Am I correct here?

The red arrow pointing to the light's always stays on, for the "on center line".

The black arrow pointing to the lights always stays on, putting one nickel in just starts the slot machine. Adding more nickels moves it from this position.

My apologies, I am a bit slow today, medication.

[David Walz]

After dismantling the problem odds unit, the plastic gear doesn't get stuck anymore.

OK, the coin relay activates the odds reset, only the reset coil works. The switches on the ratchet activate the reset coil.
So what am I missing here to activate the handle release, etc. I need to look at my wiring diagram. 

[David Walz]

On working on the upper cabinet, I have checked out all of the coils, all of them work. I just noticed a switch that is missing its wires on the odds unit relay. 

[David Walz]

One more problem found. The Cherry micro switch #E23 on the handle release has failed. So I am ordering one now, all three wires show NC and that's not going to work.

The handle: coil, switches, are functioning correctly.
The wiring diagram doesn't have a brown wire  to the common side of the switch. 

[David Walz]

I found this on the inside of the cabinet, this might help out on the reel wiring, confirming some of the wiring is original Bally.

[David Walz]

Well, more work on the reel assembly. I discovered that two wires didn't belong on the reel wiring. Then I noticed a wire was spliced, so I started replacing some wires, the meter wires were replaced and now everything is perfect. What a lot of work replacing wires in the harness, keeping the old harness exactly in place. I replaced a couple of wiring clamps, cleaned up the wiring harness.

[David Walz]

More photos, everything is basically factory, reels, upper cabinet, etc. It is to bad the original hopper was not gone.

[David Walz]

I sure hope that ferreting out the non Bally extra wires will get the slot machine up and running. At first I didn't think that it had much aftermarket wires, now I realize that I was mistaken. Having the Beau plug as a starting point, then work from their helps out finding the wires, and some are pretty obvious, it just takes time. I had the extra wires in the upper cabinet, reels, in the power area, and in the door. What a mess, at least they left it obvious to me, when I replace wires I source the correct wires, then weave them back into the wiring harness. The reels assembly wiring got a boost from the sticker on the wall, that really helped me out.

I have no idea why the casino would put extra wiring into a slot machine.