Author Topic: Multiple tilts on an E Series slot (Solved) (Read 8712 times)

br549autosales · « **on:** March 21, 2014, 08:18:53 PM »

I have had similar problems with this machine before and now just about every spin I get the following tilts:

All 3 reels spin and stop then a tilt 72 shows

All 3 reels spin and stop then a tilt 73 shows

1st and 2nd reels spin and stop then a tilt 93 shows

1st reel spins and stops then a tilt 42 shows

1st reel spins and stops then a tilt 92 shows

About every 5-7th spin, they will all spin and stop properly without any tilts.

I have tried adjusting the reel readers left and right and no change

I have cleaned the LEDs with a Q-tip and alcohol

I have oiled the reel mechs with a hypodermic needle oiler

Any other things I can try to resolve this evil machine?

Thanks,

David

br549autosales · « **Reply #1 on:** March 21, 2014, 08:20:23 PM »

Don't know why the pics showed up sideways, they are upright in my saved pics

dhellis · « **Reply #2 on:** March 21, 2014, 11:41:00 PM »

All of these errors point to indexing or reading the reel readers but none show up for reel 1. You might want to take
reel reader 1 and swap it over to reel reader 2 and see if you get 71 or 91 errors. As long as you have the reel readers
out, clean the bulbs too. I have seen numerous times where the bulb is dirty enough so that the measured voltage
on the photo transistor can drop to below 2 volts, typically this voltage will be a bit more than 4 volts.
You mentioned you cleaned the LED's (photo-transistors) I would dip a Q-Tip in alcohol and using a twisting motion
push a bit harder and clean them again. One user on the old forum did this and despite not working after the first
cleaning found that it did work when done as I had instructed.

Remove the IO card and take a wire brush to the connecting pins, I have found several dirty connectors that are bad
enough to make things fail. On one card it did not allow about half of the triacs to turn on.

The only other component is the reel reader decoder, it doesn't make sense for this to be the cause because if it
can read one card, it can read all 3 of the cards. Just keep in mind that stranger things have happened.

br549autosales · « **Reply #3 on:** March 22, 2014, 12:07:48 AM »

Thanks, I will move the #1 reel reader over to the 2nd reel and put #2 reader in the #1 spot and clean the LEDs again as you said to do. I don't know if this info helps it not but on test #8 I can pull the handle and all the reels spin and stop correctly every time. I will wire brush the I/O board as well.
Thanks for the info

br549autosales · « **Reply #4 on:** March 22, 2014, 04:50:48 PM »

Quote from: dhellis on March 21, 2014, 11:41:00 PM

All of these errors point to indexing or reading the reel readers but none show up for reel 1. You might want to take
reel reader 1 and swap it over to reel reader 2 and see if you get 71 or 91 errors. As long as you have the reel readers
out, clean the bulbs too. I have seen numerous times where the bulb is dirty enough so that the measured voltage
on the photo transistor can drop to below 2 volts, typically this voltage will be a bit more than 4 volts.
You mentioned you cleaned the LED's (photo-transistors) I would dip a Q-Tip in alcohol and using a twisting motion
push a bit harder and clean them again. One user on the old forum did this and despite not working after the first
cleaning found that it did work when done as I had instructed.

Remove the IO card and take a wire brush to the connecting pins, I have found several dirty connectors that are bad
enough to make things fail. On one card it did not allow about half of the triacs to turn on.

The only other component is the reel reader decoder, it doesn't make sense for this to be the cause because if it
can read one card, it can read all 3 of the cards. Just keep in mind that stranger things have happened.

When you say to clean the bulbs, do you mean the reel reader LEDs? If not,what and where are the bulbs located?

Thanks,

David

dhellis · « **Reply #5 on:** March 22, 2014, 05:13:10 PM »

The reel readers in your machine are the 50 volt cards so they have incandescent bulbs on the right half of the card
(as seen when installed in the machine). Perhaps this is what you are calling LED's. That is incorrect, they are
#680 bulbs. On the opposite side there are 5 photo-transistors with very small holes where the light shines through.
It is these small holes where I suggest soaking a Q-Tip in alcohol, pressing firmly and with a twisting motion for
cleaning.

You can test the operation of the card if you have a Volt Meter, a 5 volt power supply, a 47K ohm resistor, a light
source (flashlight) and a couple of test jumpers (clip leased). I placed the instructions for testing these on a fellow
web members web page and those instructions are located at

http://www.coinslots.com/product/repairs/repair-tips/

br549autosales · « **Reply #6 on:** March 22, 2014, 06:08:09 PM »

Just took out all 3 reel readers and cleaned the small holes opposite of the bulbs with the Qtip as you suggested the reinstalled them and swapped 1&2 readers. Now when I pull the handle the reels spin and immediately goes into Tilt and I get a 41 in the display window. Even though on test #8 and I see that all of the lights on all 3 reel readers are lit up after I engage the coin switch, could I just have a bad reader in the #1 position?

Thanks

dhellis · « **Reply #7 on:** March 22, 2014, 06:19:45 PM »

I think that the card presently in reel position 1 is bad, but it is possible that one of the others is also bad. I say
this because your were getting some 72,73 or 92, 93 errors. If you have the components that I listed in my previous
method you can test each of the cards and then replace the defective photo-transistors.

br549autosales · « **Reply #8 on:** March 22, 2014, 06:24:13 PM »

I may just send it to you for repair

dhellis · « **Reply #9 on:** March 22, 2014, 06:35:29 PM »

If you decide to do that you can get my shipping details at

http://www.coinslots.com/our-thanks

Do yourself a favor though, send all 3 cards since all 3 will fit in on small flat rate box shipping will not
be any different. I only charge for cards that I have to repair so if you have more than one card bad it
would be best to get them fixed at the same time. If only one card is bad then only one will be repaired
but all 3 will be tested.

Amechanic · « **Reply #10 on:** March 22, 2014, 06:36:51 PM »

Quote from: br549autosales on March 22, 2014, 06:08:09 PM

Just took out all 3 reel readers and cleaned the small holes opposite of the bulbs with the Qtip as you suggested the reinstalled them and swapped 1&2 readers. Now when I pull the handle the reels spin and immediately goes into Tilt and I get a 41 in the display window. Even though on test #8 and I see that all of the lights on all 3 reel readers are lit up after I engage the coin switch, could I just have a bad reader in the #1 position?

Thanks

David... It's possible that you have a weak photo transistor, or bulb.. I have a tester that I got from dhellis that makes it possible for me to test the reel readers. If you want to send then to me I'll gladly check them for you for free.. I also do the repairs on them if needed. I charge $15.00 to repair one reader, and $10 for any additional plus shipping back.. Also make sure nothing is rubbing on the reels causing them to spin slow. That will cause a tilt problem..

Gary

Amechanic · « **Reply #11 on:** March 22, 2014, 06:40:35 PM »

Quote from: dhellis on March 22, 2014, 06:35:29 PM

If you decide to do that you can get my shipping details at

http://www.coinslots.com/our-thanks

Do yourself a favor though, send all 3 cards since all 3 will fit in on small flat rate box shipping will not
be any different. I only charge for cards that I have to repair so if you have more than one card bad it
would be best to get them fixed at the same time. If only one card is bad then only one will be repaired

Dan, I see you have this covered.. Don't want to take any of your business..

Gary

br549autosales · « **Reply #12 on:** March 22, 2014, 10:08:06 PM »

To check the 1st reel reader I swapped it out with the 3rd reel reader. Now when I drop a coin and pull the handle it still goes into an immediate tilt-41. Could it be that my kick and or arm switches could be bad or out of position? Looks to me like in the resting, reels locked position that both the arm and kick switches both are open. But the diagram says that in the rest position that the arm switch should be open and the kick switch should be closed? Another thing is that my kick switch has three wires going to it and my arm switch only has two, looks like in the diagram that both switches should only have 2 wires each? What's the purpose of the third wire on the kick switch. Hopefully this is bad switch issue or a not open or closed correctly issue and my reel reader is fine.

Paul · « **Reply #13 on:** March 22, 2014, 11:31:33 PM »

If both of the switches are open, then that is
a problem that will need to be fixed first.
You will need to trace that third wire on
the switch and find out what that is.
Do you have a complete manual for
that machine?

br549autosales · « **Reply #14 on:** March 22, 2014, 11:36:34 PM »

I do not have a manual

Paul · « **Reply #15 on:** March 23, 2014, 08:13:08 AM »

PM your email and Ill send you a copy

br549autosales · « **Reply #16 on:** March 23, 2014, 05:18:36 PM »

I just went to #3 switch test and on the kick switch (bottom one) I get a 3...408 when I press the switch and I get a 3. . . .010 when I release it

On the arm switch (upper one) I get a 3. . . 020 when I press the switch and I get a 3. . . . . . when I release it, shouldn't I get another number sequence similar to what I got on the kick switch when I released it?

dhellis · « **Reply #17 on:** March 23, 2014, 06:26:33 PM »

Quote from: br549autosales on March 23, 2014, 05:18:36 PM

I just went to #3 switch test and on the kick switch (bottom one) I get a 3...408 when I press the switch and I get a 3. . . .010 when I release it

On the arm switch (upper one) I get a 3. . . 020 when I press the switch and I get a 3. . . . . . when I release it, shouldn't I get another number sequence similar to what I got on the kick switch when I released it?

All you should see on these tests (for the switches) is 020 for the arm switch and you should only get 010 for the kick switch. Try re-running the test and look at the bottom arrow light and see if it lights up when you activate the kick swithch. IO port 408 controls the turning on and off of that particular light. I would try disconnecting the wire (middle wire) on the kick switch (tape if off to avoid any shorts) and then see if your machine plays properly. 408 also will
control the index coil for reel 4 but I have not heard you mention this so assume you have a 3 reel machine.

br549autosales · « **Reply #18 on:** March 23, 2014, 06:38:01 PM »

I will try removing that middle wire and covering it up next and re doing the switch test and post those results. Now no matter which reader is in any position, I get a tilt 42 every time after the 1st reel stops, so it may not be a bad reader. All 3 reels stopped just a few minutes ago and landed on a winning combination but the ell did not go off and it did not drop any coins from the hopper, could that be part of the problem too? BTW, what did you mean by the "bottom arrow light"

dhellis · « **Reply #19 on:** March 23, 2014, 07:23:35 PM »

To be honest I mentioned that without looking at the photo of your machine. You machine is a single line 3 coin multiplier.
If it had been a 5 line machine or even a 3 line machine then the line 3 light (arrow) would have illuminated.

You are right that the reel readers could be all good, the problem may be in the kick switch or even in the IO
board.

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