Author Topic: WBA 12 SS - Likes 10's and 1's, but took a 20 and 100 a few times. ??? (Read 20420 times)

shortrackskater · « **Reply #40 on:** November 17, 2014, 10:40:01 PM »

Well I just had these two that were in the two s2000's that I bought to flip. But the first one, I ended up putting in one from a newer machine I had. It was taking 20's consistently so I just stuck that one in and sold it.
The only other one I had that was not working was an old DBV 145 (Hope Buzz doesn't read this...he'll tell me to throw it away!)
I just cleaned the optics and belts on that one and now it's working fine. Of course, it only takes 1's but I don't care since it's a nickel machine.
I'm 99% sure this could be a problem that has been overlooked and where head units may have been tossed for a problem that cost me 92 cents to fix for each one.
Maybe I will go ahead and create a "fix it" post for this problem. I think it would be worth it?

rickhunter · « **Reply #41 on:** November 17, 2014, 10:49:48 PM »

I have 2 heads that don't take bills or take 1 every 20 or so. I'm going to try your fix and will post results.

shortrackskater · « **Reply #42 on:** November 17, 2014, 10:53:31 PM »

Great... let me know.
On the O rings... make sure you get the proper thickness. There were some that were the same size but thinner. I ended up with some slightly smaller (but same thickness as originals) but was able to easily stretch them over the rollers.

rokgpsman · « **Reply #43 on:** November 17, 2014, 11:06:10 PM »

Quote from: shortrackskater on November 17, 2014, 10:40:01 PM

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The only other one I had that was not working was an old DBV 145 (Hope Buzz doesn't read this...he'll tell me to throw it away!)

Maybe I will go ahead and create a "fix it" post for this problem. I think it would be worth it?

Or he'd say to use his special cleaning saliva! Maybe we can get him to bottle that stuff in 1 oz glass bottles with an eyedropper.

Documenting what you did might help someone down the road with the same or similar problem so I'd say do it. There are all levels of experience and someone reading it might fix their problem because of it. Too bad the DBV rollers are not as easily available as those O rings on the WBA models.

I think that before JCM stopped supporting the DBV-145 they released a few updates for some of the newer style bills like the next generation $20. So your DBV-145 could get the eprom updated to the last revision of software JCM released and it might let you use $20 bills. You'd have to find someone with the last DBV-145 eprom release but they are probably out there. That would let you use $20 bills on that machine with the DBV-145.

shortrackskater · « **Reply #44 on:** November 24, 2014, 10:41:45 AM »

Yes I think Buzz should bottle and sell his special cleaning saliva! It would be a hit. "Buzz's mystery elixir." Hopefully he'll stumble on this thread and start bottling his DNA.

rickhunter - any news on the BV fix? I'm curious.

rickhunter · « **Reply #45 on:** November 24, 2014, 12:00:11 PM »

Didn't work for me. It does take a specific bill all the time, but not others. I'm thinking I need to calibrate the head.

shortrackskater · « **Reply #46 on:** November 24, 2014, 06:59:53 PM »

Quote from: rickhunter on November 24, 2014, 12:00:11 PM

Didn't work for me. It does take a specific bill all the time, but not others. I'm thinking I need to calibrate the head.

When your BV accepted and rejected, did the bills go in and out "strongly" without any slop or slip?
If that's the case, I think you do have a different issue, like as you stated, head calibration.
Mine all were slipping a little and would occasionally take a bill if I helped it in. When I replaced the O rings ... all went in strongly and were accepted.
Oh also... when I took mine apart, there was a considerable amount of dust on the inside, where the lens covers are. I blew all that out as well, although that didn't solve my issue... the O rings did.
But it may be a factor in your case?

rickhunter · « **Reply #47 on:** November 24, 2014, 08:17:07 PM »

The bills are taken in with "authority." No slippage from what I can tell. I'm going to be getting some calibration paper soon. It's my bottom of the pile spare head, so it's not an emergency, but I just hate to throw anything away if it can be fixed.

Yoeddy1 · « **Reply #48 on:** November 24, 2014, 08:51:45 PM »

Where does one get a roller kit for these?

Jason

rickhunter · « **Reply #49 on:** November 24, 2014, 10:35:37 PM »

The whole premise of this thread is that the OP had issues with his validator. He went to home depot and bought O rings about the same thickness as the ones in the rollers. He replaced them, and his validators started to work. I did the same, but my validator appears to be a calibration issue.

rokgpsman · « **Reply #50 on:** November 24, 2014, 11:17:49 PM »

Quote from: Yoeddy1 on November 24, 2014, 08:51:45 PM

Where does one get a roller kit for these?

Jason

I don't think such a kit exists, unfortunately. The JCM authorized dealers and repair centers probably have the needed parts on hand for their own use if they do a repair or rebuild, like for a repair under warranty or something.

shortrackskater · « **Reply #51 on:** November 28, 2014, 10:05:29 PM »

Quote from: rickhunter on November 24, 2014, 08:17:07 PM

The bills are taken in with "authority." No slippage from what I can tell. I'm going to be getting some calibration paper soon. It's my bottom of the pile spare head, so it's not an emergency, but I just hate to throw anything away if it can be fixed.

Yes I'm glad to hear that... not that yours doesn't work but it tells me that my O ring replacement was exactly my problem. I found more O rings at Ghanal lumber yesterday by accident. I was just there for something else. But this weekend I'll take one of the old O rings and see if I can find a better match for size.
Just before the holiday, I flipped one of my repaired BV machines and inserted every bill in my wallet... about ten of various denominations with one bill being very slot and a bit tattered. The BV took all of them! Soon as I have some time, I'll take one apart again and photograph the sequence and procedure. It's really not that hard other than getting the shaft out. But I think it would be nice to have for others who have this problem, that haven't taken one apart before.
Hmmmm maybe I should make a repair kit? I could mark up the hell of of those 22 cent O rings!

Ron (r273) · « **Reply #52 on:** November 29, 2014, 08:50:03 AM »

Might find the right size in these;

http://www.amazon.com/s/?ie=UTF8&keywords=oring+assortment&tag=mh0b-20&index=aps&hvadid=3480332524&ref=pd_sl_12kpdwjns6_b

I have a box and use them on a lot of things.

shortrackskater · « **Reply #53 on:** October 30, 2015, 08:20:52 PM »

Well here's a disappointing update on my great O ring fix!
I'm working on someone's Game King with the same issue - WBA 12 with "slipping/sloppy" bill entry.
I decided to just replace his BV temporarily with my "repaired" one. After I installed it, it took some bills then started doing the same damn thing! I lifted the lid and saw that the "new" O rings had rotted after only a year... less than a year actually.

So now I'd like to find a higher quality O ring for these. I guess I can contact the manufacture. Frustrating that these stupid things just died on me.

shortrackskater · « **Reply #54 on:** November 08, 2015, 06:28:14 PM »

Nothing so far from the manufacturer but that's understandable.
I guess I need to learn about O ring composition and which ones will not rot or wear out from "bill slide."
If anyone knows about the material the original ones were made of...
I don't even know if this is worth fixing - they seem to be on ebay occasionally, cheap - but you never know if the same thing will happen again. I've seen the problem come up three times recently so it seems worth the effort.
And it was fun to troubleshoot it to the two sets of O rings that initially grab the bill and it was a relatively easy/low cost fix as well. I'd be happy to pay more for decent O rings too. Time to comb the internet.

Shaggy · « **Reply #55 on:** November 08, 2015, 07:13:55 PM »

In the manufacturing industry we used Viton O-Rings. These will withstand high temps, about 600 degrees, volatile oil (very corrosive) and will last for years. You should be able to find them at a Fastenal store as they carry many industrial o-rings and have catalogs to order also. Give these guys a try.....Mark.

shortrackskater · « **Reply #56 on:** November 10, 2015, 09:57:07 AM »

jonm287 · « **Reply #57 on:** November 14, 2015, 07:31:40 PM »

S2000s will simply give you a CRC mismatch error, and opening/closing the door will clear that. That wouldn't account for rejection of certain bills. What you should check is what version of firmware is on the bv, which can be done through the game. Is it the same series of 20 and 100, or does it seem to just like older 20s/100s? The latest USA firmware for IGT is 3.80-34. There was one newer version created but it wasn't released for widespread use.

To find the firmware of the bv, hit your test switch, go into accounting/program version and go to the 2nd or 3rd submenu and it'll show you.

shortrackskater · « **Reply #58 on:** November 15, 2015, 09:20:20 AM »

Hi Jon
I had actually ruled all that out. The BV was updated (up to current 20's) but was intermittently taking bills. When I replaced the O rings on the rollers, I got 100% bill acceptance. But after one year, the O rings rotted.

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