IGT S+ code 61 not changing to 61-1

[Alan9993]

As far as the spin button, i used my brass key for setup to see if that even worked. Thats why that button lit up.

[knagl]

If you push and hold the white button down, 61 goes out and 0 lites up for a second in the coins played  and then 61 is lit again in winner paid.

In your initial post you said that "nothing changes", but in the post I quoted here you say that the 61 goes out for a second, then comes back.  That's an important difference.

You're in the so-called "61 loop".  Not every SP chip actually goes from 61 to 61-1.  Some of the older ones just go from 61 to the machine working.  If you're at 61, press and hold the button, and the 61 goes away for a second and then reappears, you're in the same loop as other folks who go from 61 to 61-1, back to 61.

As Stayouttadabunker said, you need a RAM clear chip at this point.  Also, you're going to need to install the new door optics before you go any further.  You will be unlikely to get the machine up and running with bypassed door optics.

[Alan9993]

As far as the wiring for the switches  everything looks good  no splices. There are no wire nuts any where in the cabinet. The wiring harness is all wire tied together. I tried to send a picture, i get an error to large.

[therockinelvis]

Just to be sure, because it has happened before. You are pushing and holding a very tiny white button within 1 inch of, or behind the power switch? Not a large white cherry switch.

[Alan9993]

That is correct,  i open the door. Power on/off swith is on right and white button is right next to it. I tried to take pictures. But for some reason i get an error that I'm over a 1000.

[Alan9993]

The code 12, bad battery was the first code received, then the battery swap and then the 61 as expected. I do believe you are right, first off, i need to get the sensors in for the door that are ordered, i did check the voltage in both plugs for the sensors 8.5v DC.  I need to get the chips and clear the system. I think you are right that my machine will not show the 61-1 code, it was manufactured 5/94 and that  the 61 is in the loop. I checked all wiring everything looks good, nobody has tamped with any other connection, since all wiring harnesses are tied together.  I do know when you turn on the machine, the candle on top is flashing, yellow and white.  Then the 61 appears, i never realize in the beginning that when i held the white reset button down, next to power switch that the 61 would go out for a few second and 0 would flash in the coins paid window. My hand was blocking my view of it.  As i stated before, the key reset was just turned one time, just to see if that actually worked. Which made different numbers appear in various locations and i had different buttons lighting up to change settings. I did try to send pictures, but i get an error message to big, maximum 1000 something. I don't know what my setting needs to be on my phone for it to work.
This machine does accept bills too. When i picked up this machine, nobody knew anything about weather it worked or not. As you see,  this will be a slow process working the bugs out.

[therockinelvis]

When you take a picture with your phone send it to yourself first and click the resize button next to the picture. I change mine to 30%.

[Alan9993]

I'm  going to try the clear chip at this point, there is a good possibility that my machine will only show the 61 code and not 61-1 because it was manufactured 5/94. But it definitely is in a 61 loop. When i was talking about the spin button lighting, that happen when i turned the brass key on the side of cabinet. I didn't really have an understanding of what this key did. But it did show the buttons do work and they do cycle thru the setup menu. First thing I'm going to install the door sensors then use the clear chip. With a little luck, we will get past this point.
Thank You for all your support. I'll be back with something else not right.

[therockinelvis]

Are you sure your optics are not working now? Have you done the test? Check the S+ section sticky notes for instructions. Have you put painters tape on the door and machine and marked the location of both, then close and latch the door to see if they line up? I read that they have a wire hooked to them in an attempt to bypass. Can you disconnect. I have seen a few machines that had a small toggle switch mounted on the inner door near the cash out button that did optic bypass.

[Alan9993]

The optics on the door were removed and somebody tried to run a jump wire from inside of door, around reels and back up to front of cabinet.. it was disconnected, but laying there. They cut the wires from optics, they removed and used the connectors. They added #12 wire to run around reels. First off the wire should have been speaker wire or something even smaller. So i know they failed at this. I did check both plug connectors on the machine and I'm getting voltage thru them. I ordered the optic sensors, they should be here by Thursday.  There are no toggle switches in the cabinet. Even with this problem, it would have no effect on the 61 code. Because your door is open anyway to reset the machine with white button, next to on/off switch. I have all new chips coming for the game and clear chip.

[knagl]

The date of manufacture of your machine doesn't affect whether you'll get a 61-1, it purely has to do with the SP (GAME) chip in use in your machine.  Most SP chips follow the 61, 61-1 pattern, but some older SP chips do not.

You are for sure going to need to do a RAM clear (instructions can be found here).  However, you will almost certainly need a working set of door optics to get past the 61 error you will get after doing the RAM clear.  As such, I would wait until your replacement optics arrive on Thursday before attempting to do anything else.

Please note, the door optics are a set -- one is the emitter, and the other is the receiver.  Both (stupidly) use the exact same molex plug, so it is possible to accidentally plug the emitter and the receiver into the wrong places in your machine.  The emitter has red and black wiring, and should be installed on the portion of the door that swings open.  The receiver has a slightly more domed appearance to the part, and has red and white wires, and gets installed on the inside of the cabinet and does not move when the door is opened.

Once you have your new optics in place, the procedure to clear the 61 error is:

Press and hold the white Self Test button for up to 5 seconds.  You should hear a ding from the speaker if it's working, and the display may change to 61 1.  If it does, continue:

From 61-1, close and completely latch the main door.  Once it is closed and latched, turn the jackpot reset key on the side of the machine once and release it. 

The machine should do its "maiden spin" and be ready to go.  In the event that another error code appears, refer to the error code chart with resolutions at: http://newlifegames.net/igterrors/

[Gmhorse]

I'm  going to try the clear chip at this point, there is a good possibility that my machine will only show the 61 code and not 61-1 because it was manufactured 5/94. But it definitely is in a 61 loop. When i was talking about the spin button lighting, that happen when i turned the brass key on the side of cabinet. I didn't really have an understanding of what this key did. But it did show the buttons do work and they do cycle thru the setup menu. First thing I'm going to install the door sensors then use the clear chip. With a little luck, we will get past this point.
Thank You for all your support. I'll be back with something else not right.

I went through the same exact thing with my Double Diamonds S+ a week ago. I was also getting the error 61 and could never get the 61-1 after hitting the white button. As soon as I used the CLEAR chip I was able to get the 61 to change to a 61-1 and go through the steps.  All is well now and the machine plays great. A CLEAR chip will get you going as long as you work out the door optics first.

[Alan9993]

Thank You for the information,  I'm glad you mentioned the correct placement of the optics, as i wasn't sure.  I knew about the optics working first before i could advance on using the key switch. Hopefully i could put this all behind me soon.

[Alan9993]

Also, I'm replacing the 2 chips with new ones (game and reel) and [size=78%]Clear chip and better percentage chip, total of 4 chips made.[/size]
[/size][size=78%]This way I'm getting a fresh start.[/size]

[Bikertrash00]

I am also have a similar problem and would like to double check before I order chips. I picked up the machine with a typical error 12, pulled board replaced battery and now I get error 61 with candle flashing but would go to 61-1, tried several cycles and always back to 61, I read another thread that somebody stated to remove the cmos chip for a few minutes and re-install, I did this this morning and wow I was able to get a chime and 61-1, closed it all up turned the jackpot 1 time appeared to do something then returned to 61 and no ability to get 61-1 back. FYI observations when turning machine on, reels lock, bill validator cycles but no lights, coin slot does light, no florescent lights, no hopper sounds, goes to 61 with top candle flashing.


Thanks,
Scott

[Alan9993]

It sounds like its doing a loop, I'm still waiting on my chips to arrive, so i could clear the machine. Its sounds very similar, but you got the 61-1, i never got to that point.
I would make a new post for yourself, then you will have everybody responding difectly to you with alot of knowledge.

[jay]

In absence of a clear chip you can sometimes fake a clear by switching from a 1271 game chip to 731 or vice versa.
These are two different vintages of chips with the 1271 having much more accounting info. If you move to this from an older 7' series of chips the CMOS is basically forced to reformat itself which is essentially what a clear chip does anyways, I think you get a 65 error and with a single push of the test button it clears, goes to the 61, then a 61-1 and then to normal operations.


Of course if you don't have a clear chip around - its probably just as likely that you don't have multiple series of game chips either.... but thought I would share.

[Bikertrash00]

It sounds like its doing a loop, I'm still waiting on my chips to arrive, so i could clear the machine. Its sounds very similar, but you got the 61-1, i never got to that point.
I would make a new post for yourself, then you will have everybody responding difectly to you with alot of knowledge.

I will start my own thread, was not sure if I should do that, thanks for the advise and good luck, I will be watching this thread.

[Alan9993]

I differently think that would be in your favor to do, everyone here is very friendly and trying to help you out, with the symptoms your machine is doing. Best of luck, just another bridge to cross.

[jay]

There are actually two different CMOS chips.
One is on the MPU board - the removeable board in the tray.
The other is on the motherboard - this is the smaller fixed board that the MPU plugs into.
You might want to remove both. When the chip is removed from the MPU board - turn the machine on for a moment or two and then back off before replacing the chip.

I am not sure if this will help or not.

The basic theory is that the two CMOS chips stay in perfect sync. That way if something happens during play - ie the power goes out during the middle of a spin.
You observe that the 3x '7's are lined up but then the power comes on, finishes its spin and it lands on 7, Cherry, Bar and you get nothing.
You complain and the gaming commission can determine that this was the correct outcome or not.
Of course the casino will fall back on "a malfunction voids all pays and plays " regardless. But hey you tried.... they might give you a free buffet coupon.


In any case when these two chips get out of sync they basically reformat themselves to match the other one or go back to the default config. The clear chip takes them back to factory default.
By removing the chips you are hoping that they lose their memory and then get reformatted.


These machines are pretty bullet proof - excellent design especially considering their age.