How to enable putting in more credits than max for a single play

[csm10495]

Hey folks,

I recently got a S-plus off of Craigslist. Its a Double Diamond that costs max 50c to play and works great. From playing with test mode it seems to be this: http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%202CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Diamond%20(2%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm

With a SS3443 and a SP872.

Link to video showing the lights in test mode showing those numbers ^ https://photos.app.goo.gl/3vLtQLvDhSqgwQB4A

The bill collector doesn't seem pull bills in. If i get the bill all the way in there it kind of just pushes it back out to me. If i try to put in more than 2 quarters it always drops the 3rd+ to the tray directly. My theory is that it don't try to take any bills since that would lead to more than 50c in.

Is there a setting that can allow me to put in more than just the 2 quarters to 'queue up' for future plays (and maybe even fix the bill collector not pulling in bills in the process?)

Thanks.

[jay]

Hi,

Welcome to NLG and the S+ community.

The S+ normally only takes coins up to max bet. So if its a 2 coin machine, then you can put in two coins. If its 3 coins you can only put in 3 coins.
The machine doesn't know it denomination - there is a sample coin in the coin comparator and it compares what is dropped in vs what's in the comparator.
When you play and win - ie 10 coins - typically those are put on the credit meter rather than being payed out immediately (but that is a settable option).
You can then play credits vs coins.

The machine is controlled by two chips. The Game Chip and the Reel Chip. The reel chip is basically the theme of the game and the game chip is the operating system.
SO if your a two coin double double diamond and want to be a 5 line 5 coin Gold Mine theme you simply change the reel chip.  You would want to change the glass and strips (for the theme) but the one chip makes it change its behavior. Different themes have different features, which are known as TYPEs. Most games are a TYPE 0 (no special features) but others like double diamond deluxe nudge up or down depending on the direction of the diamond, Balloon Bars nudge up when a balloon is below the pay line, Slam dunk nudges down when the basket ball is above the payline, etc. So if you have Reel Chip that is a TYPE 2 then you need a Game Chip that supports a Type 2.  Many game chips can support multiple types. All I am saying is that they need to be a compatible set.

There is a feature called Montana Credits that is available on one or two of the Game Chips. This allows you to put in multiple coins - beyond max bet and have them register on the credit meter. Up to the max credit setting (which is usually 9999). You just have to make sure that game chip's TYPE is compatible with your Reel Chip.   

On the home page - bottom right is Ricks FAQ - within this you will find the IGT S+ game bible which lists out the various themes, and chips available.
Detailed information can be found in the PSR (Program Summary Report) for the game chip - and it details all the options you can set like credit limits, reel sounds, stop sounds, etc.
Detailed information about the theme is in a document called a PAR sheet (Pay table and Reel) - it details payback percentages, payout variances, etc.

If you want copies of these documents look up your two chip numbers and post back. Some kind member will likely PM them to you.

Regarding your bill validator .....

Is the bezel on the bill validator lit ?? if not you probably have to activate the validator with a SET chip.
Please see RICKS FAQs - its on the home page, bottom right. It discusses the SET chip.
If your buying a SET chip also buy a CLEAR chip. Its rare you need the latter but their cheap and if your shipping one you might as well get both.

What the SET chip does is tell the machine what its denomination is. If you set it for 25c (a quarter machine) it then allows the bill validator to give 4 credits for a dollar.
Normally these would go to the credit meter, but you could set it so that 2 coin to the bet and the rest get paid out in coin.
You could set the credit limit to 0 and then all the credits go to coin, so you put in a dollar and it spits out 4 quarters like a change machine.
I have mine setup to use tokens, by changing out the sample coin and I set my bill validator to be a penny so I can pop in a $10 and get 1000 credits.

If the bezel is lit then you might want to try working with a $1 bill to start as some of the older bill validators don't recognize newer money, especially the ones with colors.

Post back.....


 

[csm10495]

I think one chip is: SS3443 and the other is SP872. Got them via going to coins played = 4 and reading the winner paid/credits counts. If anyone has the PSR please pass along.

Attached a photo of the machine. The '$1 TO $100 FACE UP' lights up, though inside the dollar slot sometimes seems to be a very dim red light.

Would love to be able to put in a few dollar bills to queue up the credits.

Any further thoughts are greatly appreciated.

[jay]

The two way bill acceptor is likely a DBV145 (very old). I would again start working with just older $1 bills and see if it takes those.
There should be a sticker on the validator that indicates the version.
Potentially its dirty or requires calibration. 

Also that sign that says Insert Face up is just a sign.....

If the validator has been replaced with a DBV200 which has 4 way acceptance  - (it's just a simple head change), we need to check if they also changed out the power supply.
The DBV145 power supply is a solid brick, where as the DBV200 power supply has vents - otherwise they look the same and of course electrically compatible.
The 145 supply doesn't have the enough amps to reliably run a 200 head thus poor bill acceptance. Common problem.

Have a look and let us know

[csm10495]

Here are some photos of the bill collector (and i think of the power supply for it):

https://photos.app.goo.gl/2kyDjR38KC83WF238

[jay]

Hi,

Thats a WBA 13 (World Bill Acceptor) fairly new.

Its made by JCM - Japanese Cash Machine
Historically speaking the evolution of acceptors have been DBV145, 200, WBA 11, 12, 13

From the pic of the power supply it looks to be IGT ... which is not the JCM power supply I would have expected to see.
So either your pic is of the wrong thing or I am out of my element on this model (I suspect the latter).
Hoping other members can hop on here and assist.

[sixcardmark]

Yes that is correct power supply for the wba13 in an s+ machine.

[csm10495]

I played with the collector a bit more it sort of wants to work... Video: https://photos.app.goo.gl/tvA2jb7o7rjXXyUSA

Any ideas?

[jay]

I would again suggest using a $1, and try and get a crisp one rather than a bill that is so wrinkled.
You could be dealing with a Calibration issue, which is worse with wrinkled bills.

There are a set of dip switches that can turn off/on various bills. Some casinos turned of $5 as there was a certain release of software that allowed a person to etch a few marks on to a $5 and turn it into a $50.
This was later fixed with a software upgrade but it took the casinos a while to go through and swap out all the heads.

Download the JCM manual for the dip switch settings.

I would also get the SET chip and try ensure that the validator is activated for your machine.

[sixcardmark]

The BV is not going to pull in bills with the door open.  Some casinos like to disable $1 bills so you won't jam their machines with those crinkled up singles.  That BV should take new $20s.  Open up the head and clean the sensors, do not use alcohol. Make sure the cash can is inserted correctly.

[csm10495]

What do you recommend using to clean the sensors?

[csm10495]

Edit: removed duplicate

[Stayouttadabunker]

You can use warm soapy water on a rag.

If you use anything that has alcohol in it, it will fog up the plastic lens and make bill acceptance worse.

[csm10495]

So I wiped it with some warm soapy water on a rag and it was able to take a bill! It took a new (2017) $20. ... but then I couldn't get it to take any others.

I wiped it again with the rag and it took one more $20...

It seems like every time I wipe it I get one bill read. Any recommendation on how to extend it to read more bills than just one after cleaning?

Thanks!

[rickhunter]

There are some O rings toward the front of the validators that provide friction to grab and pull the bill in.  Due to the way the validator was trying to eject the bill when you opened the top of the head in order to get the validator going, the O rings are probably so dry that they are not providing enough grip to reliably pull the bill through the validator.  While cleaning the lens, you probably moistened these rings enough to get a good grip to pull the bill in, then they dried up while doing so.  Replacing the O rings provides good results, but it involves disassembling the head in order to get the O rings replaced.  You could also just buy a known working head (shouldn't be more than $20) to replace yours.  Always good to have spares anyway, heck you could even buy a whole new head and transport and have it as a backup (just make sure you get the right software on it).

[csm10495]

Either way it now pulls the bill but spits it out if not just cleaned. Does that still seem like o-rings?