1091-44 with payout problems

[rjpohl]

with a little cleaning and lubing the machine is working pretty good except for payouts are not correct.  I'm pretty certain it is because the payout 100 tooth gear is real sluggish.  I have wind the spring 1 then a 2nd turn and it returns fasted but still slows down toward the end.  Is there any places that need to be lubricated??
thanks
Bob

[Jim]

Bob,  as with any payout problems make sure the fingers are returning to the same place every time. if not then the count up starts at a different place each time, usually one or two steps off, which equates to one or two coins.

as for the sluggish return, try putting some WD40 on your finger and putting it on the face of the traces where the fingers slide along as they count up. 

I have taken out the white plastic wheel part and cleaned and lubed that whole area, I use vasoline cream for the lubrication. not gobs of it, just a lite film coating.

pay attention or take pictures of how everything  is hooked up and assembled, just in case of a memory lapse 

Jim

[rjpohl]

I lubed the 100 tooth gear and the red wheel (not sure what's its correct name).  It now spins freely and returns quickly.


playing on coin all payouts are correct except where it should be 5 (it pays out 4)


It paid out 19 for 3 cherries on line 1 (is that correct?


No payouts at all on 2nd or 3rd line


the counter on the right side in top box (pic 3) moves as you add coins. 


Bob

[Jim]

Bob,  that's what I was referring to in my first post, when the wiper fingers are reset, they have to return to the same pad every time,  that's where the zero switch rubber bumper comes in play, if the teal colored piece sticks to the rubber bumper then it losses a count, if the rubber component is sticky and gummy then replace it with an pink eraser (you will have to fashion one out of the pink eraser) there are none of the oem available. you can exercise the counter out of the machine using  your finger to pulse the  count up coil  and then the reset coil, you will see how every thing is working.

as for the second and third coin, the counter pads look dirty, again use some WD40 on your finger, pulse the coils using your finger and put the WD 40 on all the pads and fingers , this will dislodge the dirt, clean it off and re lube it using WD40. this should solve the 2 and 3 coin issue.

three cherries should pay 20 coins, it probably due to the zero switch rubber bumper. 

Jim 

[rjpohl]

Thanks Jim,
I will clean the fingers in the top box as you suggested in the morning.


Isn't 19 the correct amount?


5 for cherries on 1 & 2
5 for cherries on 2 & 3
5 for cherries on 1 & 3
2 for cherries on 1
2 for cherries on 3


thanks
Bo

[Jim]

without seeing the belly glass I was assuming that  all the pays were on each line as on the glass. the only thing that would multiply was the top award.   

hope someone else would chime in on this, that is how I see it, I could be wrong. 

Jim

[Amechanic]

Hi Bob,  You said 3 Cherries paid 19.. Have you setup any other similar pays like 3 oranges, plums or Bells? Those are all 20 pays as the Cherries. I think you need to adjust your zero stop bumper just a bit. You might want to check your spiral cam wiper fingers. Make sure those contacts are not bent. I attached a pic of a spiral cam and contacts that were bent on a machine I just finished repairing.

[rjpohl]

For the most part it is now paying off on line one and line 2, Line 3 will not pay with any combination that uses reel 1, does pay off on combinations on reel 2 & 3.
Another problem jumped up too, now as soon as i plug hopper in the diverter below coin in switch opens.  Any ideas what this could be?

Still having problems with some payouts (wrong amount but I think I need to get the diverter problem straightened out first.

thanks for all the help!

[Amechanic]

Check the adjustment on the cherry switch located on the hopper. That should be a Wired for normally open. That switch closes once the amount of coins / weight is reached. At that point the coins are diverted down to a shoot to a bucket located in the stand. This will happen until the amount of coins is reduced, then opening the switch to allow the diverted to close again. If your cherry switch is wired correct and the switch is open, I would test it with a meter to see if it working correctly.

[Amechanic]

Is this a 3 coin single line game of a 3 coin 3 line game? From what I see on the payoff glass it looks like a 3 coin game.. I see it pays left to right and right to left.. With that information I believe it a single line payout. I’ve never seen a 3 line game that pays in both directions. Can you post a pic of the reel glass or of the whole machine.

[rjpohl]

yes it is a 3 coin 3 pay line
thanks

[Amechanic]

Ok that’s a first for me. If your third line is not paying off anything, then there has to be a relay that controls that third wires winnings. It should be in the feature unit. Have you checked your reels wipers for good contact to the reels wiper boards?

[GOS]

On some of the later 1091s there MAY BE diode boards on the reel mech - each reel would have one and a diode may be bad.

[Amechanic]

So this is a 1091... So some of these had those diode boards like I have in my 955 lowboy. Good to know.

Thanks GOS.

Hey if your looking for a reel glass, Scott Bennett may have one. I can put you in contact with him if interested.

[rjpohl]

Ok that’s a first for me. If your third line is not paying off anything, then there has to be a relay that controls that third wires winnings. It should be in the feature unit. Have you checked your reels wipers for good contact to the reels wiper boards?

the third line does pay for combinations that do not include reel 1.  example:  cherry on one does not pay, cherries on 3 do pay, cherries on 2 and 3 pay


Gary, good call on the switch on the hopper, adjusted it and now diverter stays in, thanks

[rjpohl]

pictures of reel mech.

[rjpohl]

On some of the later 1091s there MAY BE diode boards on the reel mech - each reel would have one and a diode may be bad.

it appears it does have diode boards.  anyway to test them?  Looks like each one is different.  Can I move 1 to 3 and check it that way?

[Amechanic]

I see you found the diode boards. I have a couple pics to post for others. If you have a multi meter they usually have a diode test function. When checking the diode, you should see resistance in one direction when checking the diode and nothing in the other.  I do not think they can be swapped the diode boards from reel to reel. Next check your reel wipers adjustment on the first reel to wiper board. It looks to be off a bit. I like to use a scotch bright pad to clean the wiper board contacts. Put your first reel on a Cherry symbol to start and adjust your wiper. Then check where it lands on the other symbols.

[rjpohl]

Gary,
I thought since the reel 1 made all the payouts on line 1 and 2 that the wipers would be ok? 
Thanks for the pics and info on checking the diode.  I'm a bit challenged on electrical circuits.
Bob
 

[rjpohl]

I checked all the diodes on reel 1 board and they all did check out good as you described.  I've cleaned all the pins on the reel mech connectors.


Thanks
Bob