Bally 1096 CORRECT Candle question

[gameking6]

I am trying to figure out the correct candle for what I believe is a Bally 1090 (pictured below). Does anyone have a picture of the correct candle and wedge as well as measurements for where it should be mounted (or even better a spare for sale) I contacted a couple vendors on this site with no luck. If anyone has anymore info on this machine I would also appreciate it as well.

[edit] ... added pic.

[wolftalk]

what is the full model number on the plate below the handle?  Top number is the model.


the 1090 was a 3 coin multiplier.  You have a 5 coin multiplier with wide reels.  Maybe a 1096?


I think I only have a schematic for a 1096-10, but that's model has fruit reel strips.    I'll work on getting it cleaned up and posted to http://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/ ... looks like it'll take a couple days as it's not in great shape.


the jackpot tower light on the 1096-10 is connected to light on 3 sevens or 3 bars.


the tower lights didn't seem to be in the parts manuals except the 7080 manual which is for the early E series games, but it may have been the same diamond-shaped/flat style.  A C-994-2 red lens would be appropriate for a nickel machine.

[DavidLee]

Photos of a top light on a 1090 machine.

[gameking6]

It looks like its a 1096.  Thank you guys. That would still be the correct candle, right? If so, does anyone know the mounting location or where i might find one?

[wolftalk]

nice pic from david.  That style of tower light was probably the main one used on games going forward, tho individual casinos could to whatever they wanted to match the older games they already had.


my info says the 1091 is a 3 line pay machine.  Later versions of it added left-right and right-left pay, but that's just additional wiring and possibly diodes on the reel wiper boards.


5 coins on the 1091 wouldn't make sense and they wouldn't make a major change to the type of game without changing the model number. 


in other words:
- the 1090s are 3 coin multipliers
- the 1091s are 3 lines

- the 1096s are 5 coin multipliers
- the 1099s are 5 lines


your game could be a mashup of parts, in which case the model number plate ... if you have one ... doesn't mean much.  Model plates were occasionally swapped onto other games after the games were sold into the secondary market for legal reasons (technically, illegal legal reasons.  Games needed to have serial numbers for tracking purposes, but transferring serial plates wouldn't please the regulators).

[gameking6]

Wolftalk thank you for the information. I was going off what my sister said the original owner told her (the machine is hers and she is in another state). After reading your post I had her physically go check the machine and of course you are correct it is a 1096.
I apologize for the confusion.

[wolftalk]

no worries, that makes your life easier as you are likely dealing with a game the way the factory made it.

you can find the bally manuals at http://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/bally_manuals/, including the 7080 manual for the e-series that has the part numbers for the tower like in david's picture.

where you can find one of those tho ... dunno.   You could try barry at foxslots - he sells stuff on ebay.

any two tier light tower would work, and there's lots of the newer round style ones on ebay.  You connect the white lens light to the service button switch and the red (ideally) lens light to wire 10-2 on the terminal strip in the game. 

if you bought a 3 tier light, you'd need to decide where to connect the third light, which would kinda depend on when the bell rings.  Not always, but usually the tower light turns on when the bell is ringing, but one of the variations between games is when the bell rings and when the lights turn on.

since I only have a schematic for the 1096-10, I don't know how your machine is wired.

[GOS]

you can use a 1090 wire diagram - as the wiring for the light towers are the same (1088 too)

[gameking6]

Everyone, Thank you so much. I learned allot including the original owner wasn't to clear on what the machine was😀. As far as the candle,  I prefer the original look. I'll keep looking now that I know what it should look like. How about placement, is the cabinet marked or is there a standard measurement for a 2 tier candle?

[wolftalk]

here's the diagram.  Looks like a couple captive nuts are inserted from inside the cabinet and the rest is all outside.  I assume the tower is just centered on the top. and I doubt the factory installed the captive nuts or made the hole for the harness to go thru if the factory wasn't installing the tower.


if you find a tower, try and get the captive nuts and a mating molex socket/wires to make your life easy, tho you can cut off the molex plug and attach the wires to the terminal strip directly.

KLAR has what you need on their web site - BALLY ELECTROMECHANICAL | klar (slotmachinerepair.com) - hit the "next page" button at the bottom of the parts for sale items and you'll find "Bally EM Tower Light (Red)" on the second page for $35.  They may have the molex socket, but if not and you want to use it, it's a standard part.  Just means you need to drill a bigger hole in the top for the plug to go thru.  Dunno if the nuts are on the klar one, but you can always use t-nuts or other threaded inserts from a hardware store.

[DavidLee]

Top of 1090 dimension appears to be 4.75 from the front edge.

[gameking6]

Thank you guys for all the help. I really enjoy this site. I have an unrelated question. Why can't I post an image within my post (or in a PM as well). What am I doing wrong? I select the image link icon and type in the link location and when I post it just shows up as a broken image icon? I would create a new thread but I know someone here has the answer because they were kind enough to fix my original post by putting the image on it (wolftalk I'm looking in your direction )EDIT: As usual its wolfktalk to the rescue, thanks again.
 

[DavidLee]

Not sure why PMs are limited to text only.
Kind of annoying when you want to send a friend a photo.

But, very appreciative to have a form to fix and maintain slot machines.

[wolftalk]

I guess the site preference is to add pictures as an attachment ... then the pic is uploaded and stored on the forum so it can't disappear if/when it gets removed from the image hosting site.  Problem is the forum has size limits on the attachments that are too small given image file sizes cell phones produce, and worse, if you try and upload something bigger, you lose everything you typed in because the error handling is, umm, suboptimal.   


I learned to copy everything I typed before submitting the message just in case, then if it coughs up a lung I can paste all the typing back into the editor when trying again.


anyway, the problem with the link urls that you are using is they are not pointing directly to an image.  They are pointing to a web page with the image as part of it (or some server code that produces a web page), so the forum software silently rejects it.


using your first post as an example, you used https://postimg.cc/gw0Lv25D as the url.   I assume that's what you grabbed from your browser address bar.


stuff below is on a windows pc.  If you are using something else, how to get the image link may be different, but the solution is still valid.


if you right-click on the "download original image" button on that page and pick "copy link" from the menu ... or the equiv depending on your browser ... then paste that value in the editor image location (or anyplace if you just want to see it like another browser window/tab), you'll find the image itself is https://i.postimg.cc/Mz49RVMK/slot.jpg?dl=1


you can remove the "?dl=1" off the end or leave it ... doesn't matter.   Point is https://i.postimg.cc/Mz49RVMK/slot.jpg will work as the image link value in the message editor.  I edited your first post, removed the image attachment I added and used the image link to check.

[gameking6]

You're the man

[gameking6]

Thank you everyone who helped me out with this. I'm looking forward to picking up the correct candle and installing it in the correct position. Its going to be a birthday present for my sister since its her machine 😇

[wolftalk]

the 1096-10 schematic in on http://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/ now.


the only advantage of it over the 1090 schem is it shows the terminal strip you'd connect the tower lights to.


the tower will have a three wires - blue (20), red (10-2) and black/yellow (83-2).  All those wires should be on a terminal strip, tho not necessarily in the same spots as the on your sisters machine since it's a different version of the 1096.


if the tower light doesn't have those wire colors, then wire 20 goes to both lamps, 10-2 goes to the lamp for the top/red (ideally) lens and 83-2 goes to the lamp for the bottom/white lense.

[DavidLee]

Since the machine has the service/change button.
One would presume a wire for the top light would be in proximity to the light.
This would be the black/yellow wire from the button.


Side note, one of my friends had two top lights for sale 20 and 30 each.
Like the one I posted earlier.
One is in good shape and the other not so great.
Believe they are a combination of yellow and white.


I’ll check and see if he still has them.

[gameking6]

Thank you for the schematics wolftalk. What are the differences between the 1096 and the 1096-10 ?

[wolftalk]

Thank you for the schematics wolftalk. What are the differences between the 1096 and the 1096-10 ?

I don't know ... don't have the 1096 schem and my incomplete list of machines only has the 1096 and 1096-1 on it


certainly your sisters machine is a "triple bar" while the -10 is a "fruit" machine, so the entire right end of the schematic would be different because the reel tapes are different, and the slotted index discs, wiper board wiring and payout counter disc may be different.


the rest of the schematic would usually be the same or very close, with differences mostly being stuff like when the bell rings, meters, door locks, and plug wiring related to the circuit differences between reels and payout counter.
 
fortunately, differences in the reel wiper wiring and payout counter is not what you typically need the schematic for, and if necessary it's pretty easy to figure out the wiring on most games.


did you buy the candle from KLAR?