Author Topic: SEGA / mechanical slot - payout issue, and GENERAL issues/info (Read 21366 times)

shortrackskater · « **Reply #40 on:** July 30, 2015, 01:23:18 PM »

Yes the spring was gone! I put on another I had (bought a bag of springs a long time ago just for the heck o fit) and, so far, so good.
Reading your note on adjustment now...

Jackpot · « **Reply #41 on:** July 30, 2015, 01:49:37 PM »

Quote from: shortrackskater on July 30, 2015, 01:23:18 PM

Yes the spring was gone! I put on another I had (bought a bag of springs a long time ago just for the heck o fit) and, so far, so good.
Reading your note on adjustment now...

I forgot where I read this, but I remember that proper adjustment is to have the slides push out 1/16" past the slide holding lever, and that works for me.
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shortrackskater · « **Reply #42 on:** July 30, 2015, 02:08:21 PM »

It seems to be that distance... ish.
So far, most all pays are correct now with the exception of the two cherries occasionally paying two coins and not five, but then other times it does. I think the reels and stops need some de-gumming. When the wrong pay happens, one reel doesn't appear to lock fully in when the solenoid lets the fan go.
I have to work soon... damn work. If I'm energetic enough tonight, maybe I'll shoot a little video and you can actually see and hear when the solenoid kicks in. I almost want to remove all that stuff... when I lower the fan stop lever, it works like a regular slot. Tempting to just remove it.

... I just let it spin freely after a pull and it DOES autostop after about thirty seconds...interesting.

Jackpot · « **Reply #43 on:** July 30, 2015, 10:08:22 PM »

Quote from: shortrackskater on July 30, 2015, 02:08:21 PM

It seems to be that distance... ish.
So far, most all pays are correct now with the exception of the two cherries occasionally paying two coins and not five, but then other times it does. I think the reels and stops need some de-gumming. When the wrong pay happens, one reel doesn't appear to lock fully in when the solenoid lets the fan go.
I have to work soon... damn work. If I'm energetic enough tonight, maybe I'll shoot a little video and you can actually see and hear when the solenoid kicks in. I almost want to remove all that stuff... when I lower the fan stop lever, it works like a regular slot. Tempting to just remove it.

... I just let it spin freely after a pull and it DOES autostop after about thirty seconds...interesting.

I am impressed with this machine and that skill stop coil and skill stop future, I wish I could see what this all looks with a photo showing the whole mechanism. I think you have found you main problems now and the one problem left is that outside finger, the cherry finger, maybe the spring on that one is not strong enough, try a little stronger spring so you can get consistent action on that finger, then maybe we can adjust it or the spring might just do it. It is Interesting going back through this thread, it is so easy to get off on the wrong road in fixing things. The time it takes to really understand what is happening and how it works, what it is not doing and what it should be doing pays off all the time, and keeps you on the right road. Nothing worse then screwing up everything and finding out your not even close to the real problem, I have been there.
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shortrackskater · « **Reply #44 on:** July 31, 2015, 12:06:55 AM »

Well I got home late from work but just couldn't resist going out to the garage to play with the new toy. So far, it's all working fine. But just once time, for the two cherries, it paid just two instead of four coins again. But when it did that, I noticed the arm had not fully returned to the top. The next few plays I just pulled the arm and "helped" it back to the topmost point. The next time it hit two cherries, it paid fine. So tomorrow I may remove the piston and clean it all up and see if that helps the arm to return fully... or faster and fully.
And I do want to see if I can "rig" it easily to not be a skill stop machine It was fun for about ten minutes, then I wanted it to be a NORMAL slot machine!

Jackpot · « **Reply #45 on:** July 31, 2015, 08:33:38 AM »

Super, you use neatsfoot oil in that pump, that is a leather oil for shoes, the pump has a leather seal inside, it might just be dry. At the door end of the pump there is a screw with a nut on on it, this is so you can back the screw out and lock it in position with the nut. As you back the screw out it opens a small vent hole to allow more air in, and faster thus speeding up the handle. If you take that screw all the way out you can add your oil in that screw hole. One of those "zoom spout" oil jugs works great for this.
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shortrackskater · « **Reply #46 on:** July 31, 2015, 03:39:13 PM »

Quote from: Jackpot on July 30, 2015, 10:08:22 PM

It is Interesting going back through this thread, it is so easy to get off on the wrong road in fixing things. The time it takes to really understand what is happening and how it works, what it is not doing and what it should be doing pays off all the time, and keeps you on the right road. Nothing worse then screwing up everything and finding out your not even close to the real problem, I have been there.
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And since I checked all the stuff you and Fatman asked... I was able to learn a lot along the way.

Now I'm not so scared of these mechanical beasts! I might have to buy a few more!
I should mark this topic SOLVED, but I may just keep adding to this thread until I've got it in better shape.

dhellis · « **Reply #47 on:** July 31, 2015, 03:42:54 PM »

I would hope that you would continue to update the thread because not everyone is familiar with these old machines
and that includes myself. It is nice to read and learn.

shortrackskater · « **Reply #48 on:** July 31, 2015, 03:44:56 PM »

Maybe I'll "unsolve" it and modify the topic for this particular slot. It IS an oddball. So far, I've found nothing like this on the internet. There's lots of Sega models that are very similar but I haven't seen any reference to a skill stop.

Jackpot · « **Reply #49 on:** July 31, 2015, 03:55:15 PM »

Quote from: shortrackskater on July 31, 2015, 03:44:56 PM

Maybe I'll "unsolve" it and modify the topic for this particular slot. It IS an oddball. So far, I've found nothing like this on the internet. There's lots of Sega models that are very similar but I haven't seen any reference to a skill stop.

I myself would like to see a few photo of just your mechanism so I can see how your skill stop setup looks like, I have never see this on a Sega, you could have a rare item here.
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shortrackskater · « **Reply #50 on:** July 31, 2015, 04:03:35 PM »

Photos on the way!! Heck maybe I'll do a video too!

Jackpot · « **Reply #51 on:** July 31, 2015, 04:13:15 PM »

Quote from: shortrackskater on July 31, 2015, 04:03:35 PM

Photos on the way!! Heck maybe I'll do a video too!

Now that wold be cool! I am real happy that you got these problems fixed, and yes, that is how you learn these machines, it think it is called trail by [blink]FIRE.[/blink] [/b]
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shortrackskater · « **Reply #52 on:** July 31, 2015, 05:21:56 PM »

Okay here's the front, sides, and back of the machine in high resolution. I also shot the inside of the case and the sticker on the back panel. One thing I can say: this machine is built like a brick. The case alone is very heavy! It's SOLID wood and metal... more metal but the sides are wood. It's a hell of a lot more solid than my newer Mills M head. The bottom of the case has a round mount for a stand to hold the machine and overflow change... there's no cash box but there's a place for one in the machine. I may just make up one for it since it has the chute routed for a box in a stand.

Jackpot · « **Reply #53 on:** July 31, 2015, 06:11:07 PM »

WOW, that is one optioned out mechanism, it has everything and that skill stop with fan stop is some great stuff!
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shortrackskater · « **Reply #54 on:** August 03, 2015, 06:46:18 PM »

I've made MORE progress. I'm also happy I stockpile sh*t I bought on ebay and from members here... errr STUFF that I bought because it comes in handy: the reason the handle was "slow" was that the return spring was missing! I think that's important, right?

I'm happy I have my Mills M head and Mills "Open Face" (It seems to have no real name) to look at.
I happened to have the perfect spring for it, in my bag O springs. I also stuck a new bulb in one of the two sockets for florescent bulbs. I wasn't quite sure if the starters were for that bulb but, it fit and I just flicked on the power and it worked! I just put in the upper tube. There's a spot for a lower one but it's plenty bright with just one bulb. Amazing how an illuminated mechanical slot looks! Too bad it's missing the top display. So far, so good! I have one more teeny issue I think, but I'm going to cycle it a few more times and see if that "two cherry" issue comes up again.

shortrackskater · « **Reply #55 on:** August 04, 2015, 06:07:18 PM »

Here's my next question/issue. The center disk isn't quite as aligned as the other two. I'm poking through my "care and understanding" book and can't find it. The reel hub itself has two screws that are on very tight. Is that where I loosen to make the adjustment of the disk?

Jackpot · « **Reply #56 on:** August 04, 2015, 06:55:39 PM »

Quote from: shortrackskater on August 04, 2015, 06:07:18 PM

Here's my next question/issue. The center disk isn't quite as aligned as the other two. I'm poking through my "care and understanding" book and can't find it. The reel hub itself has two screws that are on very tight. Is that where I loosen to make the adjustment of the disk?

To me, those notches look to be adjusted nicely, it you were any closer then they are, when the disks were 180 degrees, they would probably be off and maybe not lock. Adjusting this by loosening those two screws between the reels would do nothing for your strip. I can see you center strip down a tad, if you want to fix that you would need to uncrimp the reel strip and just slide it a little. When the index lever, index's the reel, this is where the reel always wants to sit, so if the strip is off a bit I would just slide it. Reel bundles are not that easy to deal with, there can be a lot of adjustments and a lot that can go to hell on you. If your reel is indexed hard and those notches look lined up as yours are, I would change nothing, but I would slip the strip a little to make me happy.
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shortrackskater · « **Reply #57 on:** August 04, 2015, 11:00:33 PM »

I didn't make my question clear ... didn't finish it...

What I meant to add was - would that middle reel disk notch alignment be the cause of my occasional wrong pay, where it pays two instead of five? I sort of said that in my previous post but I think I didn't make it clear enough. I'm not too picky on alignment unless it really is causing a payout problem.
Weird thing... so far it's working fine. I guess I need to manually check each cherry in the center reel and see what happens.
I'm not sure if I want to uncrimp the reel strip!

I'm okay with how they look.

Jackpot · « **Reply #58 on:** August 04, 2015, 11:33:22 PM »

Quote from: shortrackskater on August 04, 2015, 11:00:33 PM

I didn't make my question clear ... didn't finish it...
What I meant to add was - would that middle reel disk notch alignment be the cause of my occasional wrong pay, where it pays two instead of five? I sort of said that in my previous post but I think I didn't make it clear enough. I'm not too picky on alignment unless it really is causing a payout problem.
Weird thing... so far it's working fine. I guess I need to manually check each cherry in the center reel and see what happens.
I'm not sure if I want to uncrimp the reel strip! I'm okay with how they look.

OK, I thought you had the cherry problem fixed, sorry. So what is this problem? Do you get only two coins when you should get five every once in a while? is that what is wrong? If so, did you try to shorted that spring or add a little stronger spring to that outside finger as we talked about before? This would help it push those horizontal fingers in all the way for the 5 pay. Be detailed as this can be all kinds of things. As for you question to the three notches not lining up perfect, no, this is not your problem.
Thanks

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shortrackskater · « **Reply #59 on:** August 05, 2015, 10:07:45 AM »

Quote from: Jackpot on August 04, 2015, 11:33:22 PM

OK, I thought you had the cherry problem fixed, sorry. So what is this problem? Do you get only two coins when you should get five every once in a while? is that what is wrong? If so, did you try to shorted that spring or add a little stronger spring to that outside finger as we talked about before? This would help it push those horizontal fingers in all the way for the 5 pay. Be detailed as this can be all kinds of things. As for you question to the three notches not lining up perfect, no, this is not your problem.
Thanks
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Thanks!!!

Ok soon as I get home I'll shorten that spring but ... Is this the spring that also operates the safety slide?
I think I need to buy a "junker" mechanical slot and rebuild it bottom up! Isn't that the best way to learn?
UPDATE: That's the one I replaced, and so far all is good! My next post will be something kind of COOL...well a cheap cosmetic "fix."

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Author Topic: SEGA / mechanical slot - payout issue, and GENERAL issues/info (Read 21366 times)