WMS BB2

[777tow]

I am going to take a dive into the WMS BB2 world. Anyone have a WMS BB2 that they want to sell? PM me please (Hopefully with picture and description with price). Thanks in advance!

[johnnybgood1]

Are you looking for someone in Hawaii or mainland?  I have no idea what it would cost for overseas shipment but I could turn you on to someone building my machines here on the mainland if you like.

[gunnerbill]

First, dont even know if 777tow is in the Islands, but I thought I would just add my 2 cents in

     Being from Hawaii, Waianae. Hawaii is one of the states that will not allow gambling devices. I was once going to send my Mother a slot machine. I looked into it. Shipping 5yrs ago for a 3902 was around $400.00. But, Not worth the chance if customs finds it. Big problems for both receiver and sender. It could be tore down (No Glass, Monitor, MPU/CPU, BV, Change Light, etc...) , and shipped as a juke box , and send parts slowly and rebuilt. but not worth the chance. I also know a person who moved to one of the islands, he was in law enforcement, and he didn't want to take the chance. Something to think about.

     The seller here can also tell you some in's & out's

[KirkLasVegas]

Along with the danger of being arrested, the machine seized and a criminal record, the salt air will destroy a machine in less than a year.It will eat the chrome, the metal parts and even the boards after time.I had to keep a dehumidifier running in the garage 24/7/365 to protect my Harley,my tools and electronic test equipment. Taking a BBU-2 to Hawaii will destroy it.
If you STILL want one there do the following....
 As suggested,ship it in pieces. Wax all chrome with a good quality car wax.Seal up any openings so the Geckos don't get in it and piss/shit all over everything.COVER WHEN NOT IN USE!
Keep the sound down LOW,neighbors may "Dime you off" if they hear it. Don't place it where it can be seen from the outside.Be forewarned that the state of Hawaii and incorporated counties not only have a dim view on "Gambling Equipment" but they have a "Hard On" for it. They ferret out people running underground operations using Arcade cabinets outfitted with with 8 line video boards as they are easy to get into the state and easy to put together.If they find you, you would become their "Poster Child". Good Luck. When I moved to Hawaii I sold all 23 of my machines. I probably could have smuggled a few in the 40 foot container, but I kinda Cherish my freedom.

[777tow]

I read the law over and over. I spoke to my lawyer. The law does not say anything about home use. It does say if knowingly used in the advancement of gambling, meaning a commercial space, with games of chance in it (like slots) and customers putting money in them trying to win money.
A video on gambling by the police department was put out where there is a circle that needs to be completed. Put in money to play/gamble and money needs to come out. Do not complete the circle and the law isn't broken.
The whole reason everyone freaks out at this is because the way the law id worded.....put all the heavy hitting stuff in the beginning, and end it with " knowing it is to be used in the advancement of gambling activity which is not social gambling."

Here is the law:
§712-1226 Possession of a gambling device.
(1) A person commits the offense of possession of a gambling device if the person manufactures, sells, transports, places, possesses, or conducts or negotiates any transaction affecting or designed to affect ownership, custody, or use of any gambling device, KNOWING IT IS TO BE USED IN THE ADVANCEMENT OF GAMBLING ACTIVITY WHICH IS NOT SOCIAL GAMBLING

(2) Possession of a gambling device is a misdemeanor.
So to own a slot machine in your home for home use is NOT against the law.

Im in it to play the games and to self educate and learn about WMS machines. Its fun to tinker with slots.

[johnnybgood1]

That's wonderful.  Hopefully someone here will help you out.  I think personal ownership laws are a joke. I guess they have to write them with broad strokes.  Let's just say for instance the law stated "for personal use only", that could easily mean put 20 machines in your home and use them personally.  Then again where would you draw the line?  Having personal parties and collecting $$$ could easily be viewed as personal use.  So although I think it's stupid to have any law banning personal use I also understand that it's very difficult to define it.  So attorneys wrote them broad and safely.

I really hope you get your machines.  These BB2/3 machines are nice and anyone who enjoys them would love to have one in there home.

John.

[777tow]

That's wonderful.  Hopefully someone here will help you out.  I think personal ownership laws are a joke. I guess they have to write them with broad strokes.  Let's just say for instance the law stated "for personal use only", that could easily mean put 20 machines in your home and use them personally.  Then again where would you draw the line?  Having personal parties and collecting $$$ could easily be viewed as personal use.  So although I think it's stupid to have any law banning personal use I also understand that it's very difficult to define it.  So attorneys wrote them broad and safely.

I really hope you get your machines.  These BB2/3 machines are nice and anyone who enjoys them would love to have one in there home.

John.

Sometimes I really feel that the law our lawmakers write overstep their bounds of what the law was really meant to be for. Of course, there are good people and there are bad people and it's the bad ones who abuse everything and make it hard for others. I am not on the "dark side" of the law. I respect the law, and do my due diligence to check and double check and even triple check before I do something that could get me into trouble if I cross the line. I have spoken to my lawyer, law enforcement, and others and the ones I have spoken to see it as I see it. The main thing is I don't get machines and start running a gambling hall or something....lol I leave that to Vegas.
I play the BB2 games in Vegas and love the games. its a nice unit, and the games are endless as far as I'm concerned. I like to tinker and fix things and solve problems. The rewards are the great feeling of getting something to work. Even as a virgin/beginner in the BB2 world, there is lots to learn. Becoming self educated is something that no one can take from you.
Thanks!