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**Reel Slots** Gaming Machines => IGT S2000 and Vision Games => Topic started by: acura123 on December 04, 2015, 07:16:29 AM
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I have an s2000 "reel detective" machine. I was able to get the bill validator working and the game plays fine until it hit 777 which only pays 300 coins. The machine then locks up for a handpay? how do i fix this?
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Turn the jackpot reset key on the right side of the machine above the pull handle.
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How do I not have the machine go into a hand pay for 300 coins. I want all prizes below the progressive to go to credits.
Thanks
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You need to change the Limits in your machine. 3.1.4.
You must have zero credits on the machine to be able to change the values in section 3.1.4
Set the Jackpot level to a value just under the max pay jackpot on the machine. IE if the top payout on the machine is 10,000 credits set the jackpot level to 9,999 credits so that at 10,000 credits a handpay will be triggered anything lower will pay via ticket or coin depending on your machine. Remember in section 3.1.4 the value is set in dollars not credits.
Also one more caution if your machine is a coin only machine without a TITO system I would suggest setting the hopper limit at a reasonable value because if the hopper limit is set to $8000 and there is over $8000 dollars worth of credits on the machine and someone pushes the cash out button you will have to keep refilling the hopper until it pays out $8000. If it is a quarter machine that's one hell of a lot of hopper refills. If you set hopper value to say $300 it will pay $300 in coin and the rest will come up as a handpay which is easily resetable with the jackpot key
Hope this helps
Rich
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Did you get it resolved??
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No luck my credit limit is $3000 but I still get a handpay on 300 credits. See pics
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What is the jackpot limit? That is what you need to change.
The credit limit just stops the machine from taking on additional credits via coin, ticket or bills above the value set.
The hopper limit sets the maximum pay out from the hopper.
Hope this helps
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The credit limit is $3000, The jackpot limit is $2500
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Hmmm that should be it. One more thing I can think of, It might be the machine is set up for partial pay. If it is enabled disable it. ( located in the 7. Set up area)
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Do you know of a way to copy the base game chip. I want to make a backup in case I damage it.
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New problem when the machine hits three sevens it treat's it as a jackpot and pays out to a ticket and clears the meter.
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What is the denomination of your machine what is the value of one credit?
I do not know what the payouts to your machine are so what should three sevens pay?
When you say clears meter am I to assume this machine has a progressive? What progressive unit are you using?
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The machine is a progressive sizzling 7 rethemed to a reel detective machine with a spectrum progressive meter. It's a quarter machine. The sevens pay 300 credits and should be paid to credits. It appears to be Mismapped so that the 7, s are coded to the jackpot symbol. Is this possible? It used to lock up the ma gone for a handpay when it got three 7's as if it were a jackpot.
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What SB chip did you change to when you made the reel detective machine? The only other things to check are you sure you have the reel strips installed correctly with the tab engaged in the strips.
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I didn't change any chips. I bought the game as a reel detective. It came from the trump plaza in ac.
When I first played it I hit the three red 7's and it locked up for a hand pay. I was told to check the jackpot limits, which were fine. Then I was told to check the credit limits and they were fine. It seems to me that its not choosing the correct symbol on the reel and mistaking the 7 fir a reel detective symbol. Although it locks up for a hand pay when it hit three detectives. I was reading the s2000 manual and there is a reel strip test in menu 5. should I check the reel strips and the payouts? I'm so close to fixing this machine. All I have left is this issue and mounting the progressive.
Thanks again for your help
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What is the number of the SB chip on the CPU board?
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Ss3343
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OK so what you have is a Sizzling 7s clone called Reel Detective. It also looks like it is an S2000 using an S+ chip set with an SB001000 and SS3343. My suggestion would be to get the S2000 chip set for a Sizzling 7s machine. That is replace the SB001000 with a SB100087 and remove the SS chip completely. By doing this you can also choose the odds of the machine without having to replace SS chips.
You will have to set the machine up again along with the progressive but it should solve all of your issues. (You should be close to an expert at this by now :yes:)
Please post a picture of your mpu board so we can see what SG chips and board type you have.
I'm not familiar enough with SS chip sets to know if what you have can be used.(apparently not the current SS you have now anyway)
Set your progressive and limits as previously discussed.
Accounting value anything under or equal to your coin value.
Rich
PS thanks RB for the clone information.
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The trump plaza modified the game so that the top prize is $500 instead of the $250 on the sizzling 7 game .
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Here's another pic
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SS3343 is a Sizzling 7s 3 Coin Buy a Pay chip. I can't remember if Reel Detectives is a Buy A Pay game or not, I thought it was just a straight multiplier? I've only had one, and that was a while back. Post a pic of your glass so we can be sure and let you know the correct SB chip to get.
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If the top prize is the progressive hit you can make it whatever starting value you want when you set up the spectrum's progressive. Set the starting value at $500.
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Pic
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So are you talking about a 2 coin pay is 500 on a reel detective. But it's only 250 on a Sizzling 7
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The top prize on a sizing 7 is 1000 coins or $259 it's a quarter game. The reel detective is $600 top prize you get 500 coins for 2 cons played. It's a buy a pay
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Payouts are identical.
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All we can really deduce from this is that the SS chip is an obvious backup (copy). He can go through the the menu to verify its SS3343, but if the pays don't match the reel hits, it doesn't really matter.
What are the suggestions on the SB he needs?
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SB100087
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SB100087
You're awesome Ron! Thanks for helping the guy out!
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What would cause the 777 to be treated like three detectives? and how to i fix this. I don't think a sizzling 7 chip is the same game.Is there a way to see whats on the contents of the chip? or diagnose it through the machine?
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Is it ground hog day? We were here already on the first page of this post.
That is what a clone is, the game chip does not know what the face glass is as long as the payouts are the same.
Triple 7s, Triple butterfly 7s and Triple Red hot 7s are another example of clones they all use the same SB chip ( not the same as yours)
OK so what you have is a Sizzling 7s clone called Reel Detective. It also looks like it is an S2000 using an S+ chip set with an SB001000 and SS3343. My suggestion would be to get the S2000 chip set for a Sizzling 7s machine. That is replace the SB001000 with a SB100087 and remove the SS chip completely. By doing this you can also choose the odds of the machine without having to replace SS chips.
You will have to set the machine up again along with the progressive but it should solve all of your issues. (You should be close to an expert at this by now :yes:)
Please post a picture of your mpu board so we can see what SG chips and board type you have.
I'm not familiar enough with SS chip sets to know if what you have can be used.(apparently not the current SS you have now anyway)
Set your progressive and limits as previously discussed.
Accounting value anything under or equal to your coin value.
Rich
PS thanks RB for the clone information.
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Trust all the people who have given their input, this is a three coin buy a pay game. all they did was to make different glass and reel strips to create a new theme. if you compare the reel strips to the "reel detectives strips you will see they are identical, just different symbols (detective head) for the sizzling sevens (flames on bottom of sevens ).
Hope this explains the "cloning"
Jim
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Trust me there is no modification Trump could have done IGT controls the chips and the data stored in them is heavily controlled by the gaming commission.
If you install the SB100087 your game will function perfectly.
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How about this. You become a member of NLG and I will send you a SB free of charge including the postage.
PM me your address.
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How about this. You become a member of NLG and I will send you a SB free of charge including the postage.
PM me your address.
What a deal! :cool_thumb_up:
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I wanted to play the exact game that came from the trump plaza that's in my machine. Is there a way to fix my eprom?
I believe in menu 5 you can check the reels and payouts.
There has to be a simple fix, i mean it was working in the casino.
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It will be the exact game it is a clone!!
Compare the front glass of your machine and the front glass of a Sizzling 7 the payouts are exactly the same.
Nothing else is in your chip. Your game is using S+ chips in an S2000 the only difference is it will now use an S2000 chip in a S2000 game.
I don't know how to explain this any differently.
The game chip does not know if it is playing a Sizzling 7 or a Reel Detective it plays them exactly the same way. They are the same game!!
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What would cause the 777 to be treated like three detectives? and how to i fix this.
You most likely configured your progressive incorrectly. 3C Sizz 7's has 2 levels of jackpots that can be enabled. I believe they are JP0 and JP1. 3 Sizzling 777 on a payline is one of them and three solid red 777 is the other. If you have the wrong JP level enabled (and you probably do), the jackpot will be awarded on the solid 777 hit.
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YOUR A GENIUS!!!!!! That's it!
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| | Reel Strips | | | | Virtual Stops | | | | | |
| Reel 1 | Reel 2 | Reel 3 | | | Reel 1 | Reel 2 | Reel 3 | | | |
| Blank | Blank | Blank | | 1 | 1 | 1 | 1 | Blank | Blank | Blank |
2 | 7 | 7 | 7 | | 2 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 7 | 7 |
3 | Blank | Blank | Blank | | 3 | 2 | 2 | 2 | 7 | 7 | 7 |
4 | TB | TB | TB | | 4 | 2 | 2 | 3 | 7 | 7 | Blank |
5 | Blank | Blank | Blank | | 5 | 3 | 3 | 3 | Blank | Blank | Blank |
6 | 7 | 7 | 7 | | 6 | 3 | 3 | 3 | Blank | Blank | Blank |
7 | Blank | Blank | Blank | | 7 | 3 | 4 | 4 | Blank | TB | TB |
8 | 2B | 2B | 2B | | 8 | 4 | 4 | 4 | TB | TB | TB |
9 | Blank | Blank | Blank | | 9 | 4 | 5 | 4 | TB | Blank | TB |
10 | D | D | D | | 10 | 4 | 5 | 5 | TB | Blank | Blank |
11 | Blank | Blank | Blank | | 11 | 5 | 6 | 5 | Blank | 7 | Blank |
12 | Bar | Bar | Bar | | 12 | 6 | 6 | 5 | 7 | 7 | Blank |
13 | Blank | Blank | Blank | | 13 | 6 | 6 | 6 | 7 | 7 | 7 |
14 | 7 | 7 | 7 | | 14 | 6 | 7 | 6 | 7 | Blank | 7 |
15 | Blank | Blank | Blank | | 15 | 6 | 8 | 7 | 7 | 2B | Blank |
16 | TB | TB | TB | | 16 | 7 | 8 | 8 | Blank | 2B | 2B |
17 | Blank | Blank | Blank | | 17 | 8 | 8 | 8 | 2B | 2B | 2B |
18 | DB | DB | DB | | 18 | 8 | 8 | 9 | 2B | 2B | Blank |
19 | Blank | Blank | Blank | | 19 | 8 | 9 | 9 | 2B | Blank | Blank |
20 | D | D | D | | 20 | 8 | 9 | 9 | 2B | Blank | Blank |
21 | Blank | Blank | Blank | | 21 | 8 | 9 | 9 | 2B | Blank | Blank |
22 | BAR | BAR | BAR | | 22 | 8 | 9 | 10 | 2B | Blank | D |
| | | | | 23 | 9 | 10 | 10 | Blank | D | D |
| | | | | 24 | 9 | 10 | 11 | Blank | D | Blank |
| | | | | 25 | 9 | 11 | 11 | Blank | Blank | Blank |
| | | | | 26 | 10 | 11 | 11 | D | Blank | Blank |
| | | | | 27 | 10 | 11 | 11 | D | Blank | Blank |
| | | | | 28 | 11 | 11 | 11 | Blank | Blank | Blank |
| | | | | 29 | 11 | 12 | 12 | Blank | Bar | Bar |
| | | | | 30 | 11 | 12 | 12 | Blank | Bar | Bar |
| | | | | 31 | 12 | 12 | 12 | Bar | Bar | Bar |
| | | | | 32 | 12 | 12 | 12 | Bar | Bar | Bar |
| | | | | 33 | 12 | 12 | 12 | Bar | Bar | Bar |
| | | | | 34 | 12 | 12 | 12 | Bar | Bar | Bar |
| | | | | 35 | 12 | 13 | 13 | Bar | Blank | Blank |
| | | | | 36 | 13 | 14 | 14 | Blank | 7 | 7 |
| | | | | 37 | 14 | 14 | 14 | 7 | 7 | 7 |
| | | | | 38 | 14 | 14 | 15 | 7 | 7 | Blank |
| | | | | 39 | 14 | 15 | 15 | 7 | Blank | Blank |
| | | | | 40 | 15 | 15 | 15 | Blank | Blank | Blank |
| | | | | 41 | 15 | 15 | 16 | Blank | Blank | TB |
| | | | | 42 | 15 | 16 | 16 | Blank | TB | TB |
| | | | | 43 | 16 | 16 | 16 | TB | TB | TB |
| | | | | 44 | 16 | 17 | 17 | TB | Blank | Blank |
| | | | | 45 | 16 | 18 | 17 | TB | DB | Blank |
| | | | | 46 | 17 | 18 | 18 | Blank | DB | DB |
| | | | | 47 | 18 | 18 | 18 | DB | DB | DB |
| | | | | 48 | 18 | 18 | 19 | DB | DB | Blank |
| | | | | 49 | 18 | 18 | 19 | DB | DB | Blank |
| | | | | 50 | 18 | 19 | 19 | DB | Blank | Blank |
| | | | | 51 | 18 | 19 | 19 | DB | Blank | Blank |
| | | | | 52 | 18 | 19 | 20 | DB | Blank | D |
| | | | | 53 | 19 | 20 | 20 | Blank | D | D |
| | | | | 54 | 19 | 20 | 21 | Blank | D | Blank |
| | | | | 55 | 19 | 21 | 21 | Blank | Blank | Blank |
| | | | | 56 | 20 | 21 | 21 | D | Blank | Blank |
| | | | | 57 | 20 | 21 | 21 | D | Blank | Blank |
| | | | | 58 | 21 | 21 | 21 | Blank | Blank | Blank |
| | | | | 59 | 21 | 22 | 22 | Blank | BAR | BAR |
| | | | | 60 | 21 | 22 | 22 | Blank | BAR | BAR |
| | | | | 61 | 22 | 22 | 22 | BAR | BAR | BAR |
| | | | | 62 | 22 | 22 | 22 | BAR | BAR | BAR |
| | | | | 63 | 22 | 22 | 22 | BAR | BAR | BAR |
| | | | | 64 | 22 | 22 | 22 | BAR | BAR | BAR |
I copied the table and virtual table from the game and there is no D D D in the virtual reels so I believe the jackpot table is set incorectly
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When I play the last game back it says Progressive win LEVEL 2 $500.25
Is this set for a 2 coin payout?
How do I change the progressive level?
Thanks,
James
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You should really at least make an effort to search the FAQs in this forum or least consider becoming a contributing member. Here is a link containing the info you've requested- http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=312.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=312.0)
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I became a contributing member!
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Still having problem switching the game table. Apparently there are two tables one with a 7's top prize and one with the Jackpot. How do I switch this?
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Congratulations, glad to have you aboard. Lots of perks for contributors.
Dave
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It is done when you set up the spectrum. Key the machine ( make sure there are zero credits.)
You will change the current Game or Level since it is not the one you want. It has been a while since I set up a spectrum.
What are your current settings?. Is it
Game 1 denom $.25 Level 1
Stand alone : Level 1
I can't remember if you want it to be Game 2 or level 2 on the first line.
One of those settings need to change.
Rich
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I became a contributing member!
Excellent! :cool_thumb_up:
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Another very fun advantage of using this SB chip, it is a lower numbered SB, meaning that you can swap around different sound simms and get some great sound from your game. After installing the SB for game setup, also add a DSV 42 sound simm, as long as you have a multi media sound board installed. If no Multimedia board, they are cheap and easy to find. Set the game up using the 42 simm. After playing a few games, you can start swapping in other sound cards. the reason for starting with the generic 42 card is to "unlock" thye sound board. Otherwise, the machine will only play one tune for reel spin, rather than the many different reels spin sounds. that is why we use a 42 first, which actually has good sound on it's own. :-) Hope all this makes sense. You are missing out on great sound using that old SS S-Plus chip.
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Need help key chipping this spectrum. The problem is I can get the 777 to pay to credits but the progressive stops working or if I get the progressive working the 777's pay out as a jackpot!!!
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SB chip in tomorrow's mail.
Did you check the link below?
ILK set up the exact same machine with a spectrum, the link has his step by step.
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=4863.0 (http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=4863.0)
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Mounted the spectrum board came out real nice!
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I also mounted a zif socked for easy key chip swapping!
Made key chipping a breeze!
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I'm happy to report that I do all got it to work!!!