Author Topic: Bally 1000 / 1209 various questions (tilt, PSU, SDS mode, rarity) (Read 13900 times)

Badbaud · « **Reply #40 on:** April 23, 2018, 11:04:28 PM »

Does test 8 still work with the door open?

Amechanic · « **Reply #41 on:** April 23, 2018, 11:08:24 PM »

Do all three reel just spin and donâ€™t lock when this happens?

RetroMan · « **Reply #42 on:** April 23, 2018, 11:23:12 PM »

Quote from: Amechanic on April 23, 2018, 11:08:24 PM

Do all three reel just spin and donâ€™t lock when this happens?

That is correct. TILT is lit and the reels keep spinning until their movement fades. Resetting or power toggling the machine locks the reels again.

Any ideas?

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RetroMan · « **Reply #43 on:** April 24, 2018, 03:12:39 AM »

Quote from: Badbaud on April 23, 2018, 11:04:28 PM

Does test 8 still work with the door open?

Yes, test 8 fully works with door open. Including proper reel reading: When in test 8 a winning combination is spun, the number of coins to be paid is displayed.

That is why I still think this must be "something small", but I can't find the logic behind it (yet) which makes me crazy. I really appreciate your help so far and I truly hope you can guide me to a working machine.

Did you read my post about the reel reading?

Do you have any other suggestions?

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Amechanic · « **Reply #44 on:** April 24, 2018, 04:29:20 AM »

Where are you located? Just looked on your profile for your location..Drive me crazy when profile are not filed out complete with that information.

RetroMan · « **Reply #45 on:** April 24, 2018, 04:59:45 AM »

Quote from: Amechanic on April 24, 2018, 04:29:20 AM

Where are you located? Just looked on your profile for your location..Drive me crazy when profile are not filed out complete with that information.

I wasn't aware of that, but I did introduce myself including my country in the OP;-) I will fill it out tonight. I am in The Netherlands... Europe...

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Amechanic · « **Reply #46 on:** April 24, 2018, 09:02:01 AM »

Sorry for the rant

I was looking to see where you lived. Maybe be someone lived near you that could help in person. I myself doing hundred of these, I think that you either have a bad kick or arm switch on the reel assembly or still have a problem with the reel one linkages. You could try reversing the kick and arm switches, but be aware that they are wired differently, so take a picture with a phone for a reference. Have you ever posted a picture on your machine?

RetroMan · « **Reply #47 on:** April 24, 2018, 12:15:51 PM »

Quote from: Amechanic on April 24, 2018, 09:02:01 AM

Sorry for the rant I was looking to see where you lived. Maybe be someone lived near you that could help in person. I myself doing hundred of these, I think that you either have a bad kick or arm switch on the reel assembly or still have a problem with the reel one linkages. You could try reversing the kick and arm switches, but be aware that they are wired differently, so take a picture with a phone for a reference. Have you ever posted a picture on your machine?

I see from your profile that you are a true Bally fan, like myself. That's the reason why I came to this place in the first time, hoping to meet specialists like you. Over here, I can't find any. And I did a LOT of research to find one. I do have a renowned pinball repair shop nearby, but they are only doing modern pinballs (solid states and newer) and some arcades. Slot machines are much more sparse than pinballs over here. By the way, pinball is becoming a hype in The Netherlands.

So far you and Badbaud are the only two people I've met that have knowledge about these babies. So I really hope we can work some more together in order to get mine back running again. I'd love to see it standing side by side my Bally Old Chicago, which will come back from a full professional restoration job next week.

I posted 1 picture of my machine, but of course I can post a lot more. Do you prefer any specific details that would help in finding the problem?

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RetroMan · « **Reply #48 on:** April 24, 2018, 12:19:00 PM »

Quote from: Amechanic on April 24, 2018, 09:02:01 AM

Sorry for the rant I was looking to see where you lived. Maybe be someone lived near you that could help in person. I myself doing hundred of these, I think that you either have a bad kick or arm switch on the reel assembly or still have a problem with the reel one linkages. You could try reversing the kick and arm switches, but be aware that they are wired differently, so take a picture with a phone for a reference. Have you ever posted a picture on your machine?

I will look into the kick and arm switches tomorrow. The machine worked perfectly for 2 nights in a row, then all of a sudden the 41 came up. Is it possible that these switches can create this problem just out of nothing?

What would you say about the comment on the test mode 8? Is it logical that everything is working fine on this mode?

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Amechanic · « **Reply #49 on:** April 24, 2018, 12:50:24 PM »

Iâ€™ve seen them do some pretty weird things. Switches will just stop working.. Itâ€™s possible there is a problem with the door hinge switch and wiring. The door switch and lock switch are wired in the same circuit. I like to eliminate the door wiring out of the loop so the machine only uses the hinge switch. If your machine is in test 8, does the test clear and show 50 000 in the win meter when you close the door?

RetroMan · « **Reply #50 on:** April 24, 2018, 10:04:34 PM »

Quote from: Amechanic on April 24, 2018, 12:50:24 PM

Iâ€™ve seen them do some pretty weird things. Switches will just stop working.. Itâ€™s possible there is a problem with the door hinge switch and wiring. The door switch and lock switch are wired in the same circuit. I like to eliminate the door wiring out of the loop so the machine only uses the hinge switch. If your machine is in test 8, does the test clear and show 50 000 in the win meter when you close the door?

Yep, test mode 8 is ended when I close the door. Upon closing, 50 000 shows on the win meter.

What does this tell us?

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Amechanic · « **Reply #51 on:** April 24, 2018, 10:33:51 PM »

Just that your hinge switchâ€™s works

RetroMan · « **Reply #52 on:** April 24, 2018, 10:38:07 PM »

Quote from: Amechanic on April 24, 2018, 10:33:51 PM

Just that your hinge switchâ€™s works

Ok. I'll look into the other switches tonight. Any other things to look out for?

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RetroMan · « **Reply #53 on:** April 25, 2018, 11:55:32 AM »

Quote from: Amechanic on April 24, 2018, 09:02:01 AM

Sorry for the rant I was looking to see where you lived. Maybe be someone lived near you that could help in person. I myself doing hundred of these, I think that you either have a bad kick or arm switch on the reel assembly or still have a problem with the reel one linkages. You could try reversing the kick and arm switches, but be aware that they are wired differently, so take a picture with a phone for a reference. Have you ever posted a picture on your machine?

np, I've filled out the profile;-) And here are some photo's!

RetroMan · « **Reply #54 on:** April 25, 2018, 12:08:19 PM »

A few comments to the photo's.

20180425_202559r: The connectors to this relais are loose, and have been loose all the time (so also when the machine was working). What is the purpose of this relais? Should I reconnect it?

20180425_202702r: Mysterious loose connector. No contra connector within the reach of its cable. What is it for?

20180425_202713r: Black diode D3. PSU voltages measure OK; should I do something about it?

20180425_204330r: Loose grey wire (one side from the jumper that determines SDS or Bally error mode). Currently the machine is in SDS mode. Should I leave it that way?

20180425_203009r: The machine tilts directly after pull. Error code 41. Swapping reel reader cables doesn't help (still error 41). With the door open, in test mode 8, everything works fine and also the reels are read correctly.

Any suggestion to fix this is welcome!

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RetroMan · « **Reply #55 on:** April 26, 2018, 01:14:19 AM »

Quote from: Amechanic on April 24, 2018, 09:02:01 AM

Sorry for the rant I was looking to see where you lived. Maybe be someone lived near you that could help in person. I myself doing hundred of these, I think that you either have a bad kick or arm switch on the reel assembly or still have a problem with the reel one linkages. You could try reversing the kick and arm switches, but be aware that they are wired differently, so take a picture with a phone for a reference. Have you ever posted a picture on your machine?

Last night I checked the kick and arm switches. They measure OK. Also I checked the timing by moving the pull lever very slowly and measuring both switches. All seems working like described in the manual.

I DID discover a problem in test mode 8: The reels are not always read correctly. Sometimes a win does not lead to the number of coins to be paid out displayed on the win meter, and in that case "winner paid" is not lit. But sometimes a win IS read correctly and I can't pinpoint it down to a single reel. And I don't know how to reproduce it.

Does this point in a certain direction?

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Badbaud · « **Reply #56 on:** April 26, 2018, 07:08:45 AM »

Go to test 5, write the number seen for reels 1 through 3.
turn power off.
Swap the reel reader connectors for reels 1 and 2.
Go back to test 5, see if the numbers have swapped their 1 and 2 positions on the display or if 1 is different.

RetroMan · « **Reply #57 on:** April 30, 2018, 10:52:49 AM »

Quote from: Badbaud on April 26, 2018, 07:08:45 AM

Go to test 5, write the number seen for reels 1 through 3.
turn power off.
Swap the reel reader connectors for reels 1 and 2.
Go back to test 5, see if the numbers have swapped their 1 and 2 positions on the display or if 1 is different.

Hi there,

Done, and they are different. With the connectors in correct order they read (1)401 and with connector 1 & 2 swapped I got (1)031. What does this tell us?

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Badbaud · « **Reply #58 on:** April 30, 2018, 04:43:50 PM »

One of the optic transistors in a reel reader is weak or defective.

RetroMan · « **Reply #59 on:** April 30, 2018, 06:18:30 PM »

Quote from: Badbaud on April 30, 2018, 04:43:50 PM

One of the optic transistors in a reel reader is weak or defective.

All 15 transistors were recently replaced by new ones. Is it possible to measure with a multimeter which one is fault? How?

R

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Author Topic: Bally 1000 / 1209 various questions (tilt, PSU, SDS mode, rarity) (Read 13900 times)