IGT S Plus Coral Reef not taking coins

[Amechanic]

Can you post a couple pictures? One of a side view with your door closed and latched, then one from the front, but mostly of the top half of the door to see how it’s lining up with the cabinet.

[rokgpsman]

A few years ago we had someone here that got tired of fighting their door optic alignment problem so much that they moved both of the optic parts to the reel shelf, with the optic parts facing each other so they were always in alignment. This told the machine that the door was closed. Then when they wanted to tell the machine the door was open (so they could enter the TEST & Setup menus) they simply put a small card in-between the optic parts to block the infrared optic light, which told the machine the door was open. Not saying this is what you should do, but it shows a clever solution to their problem. I think their machine had a door that was sagging or warped.

[sgolembiewski0903]

loosen the screws just enough to slide the optic. Move it a hair, wait, repeat. Trying to hold by hand is pretty hard. If bumping the machine knocks it out of alignment then there are other issues. How much does your door move when it is open? Are you having to lift up on the door to close it?  Maybe bad hinge or just needs to be tightened.

I am having to lift it up to close it, yes.


I'll get some pics soon to put on here!

[sgolembiewski0903]

Okay, got the new optics in, still the same issue... Here are some pics I can provide.  The last pic is what it looks like when the machine is actually toggling 010101 like it's supposed to, the sensors are definitely not lined up at this point but that's when it triggers the 01010101.  The pic before the last pic is what it looks in (actual photo).  First pic is how it sits naturally.


https://imgur.com/a/KUzilaB

[sgolembiewski0903]

A few years ago we had someone here that got tired of fighting their door optic alignment problem so much that they moved both of the optic parts to the reel shelf, with the optic parts facing each other so they were always in alignment. This told the machine that the door was closed. Then when they wanted to tell the machine the door was open (so they could enter the TEST & Setup menus) they simply put a small card in-between the optic parts to block the infrared optic light, which told the machine the door was open. Not saying this is what you should do, but it shows a clever solution to their problem. I think their machine had a door that was sagging or warped.

I notice that in the pic the sensors are facing each other pretty much dead-on. Here is a picture of how my sensors are working for me.
Dead on = 1
Sensor above or below other sensor = 0
sensor PERFECTLY (hairline) in the right spot above or below the other sensor = toggle 1010101


https://imgur.com/a/MjI4sNu

[sixcardmark]

Keeps getting stranger.  You should never get a 13-1.  You should get 13-0 when not lined up, or 13-(toggle 0-1) when lined up.

[sgolembiewski0903]

Keeps getting stranger.  You should never get a 13-1.  You should get 13-0 when not lined up, or 13-(toggle 0-1) when lined up.

Hmm.. could it be something to do with the fact that I used the clear chip? Perhaps a setting needs to be addressed?


OR could it possibly be a power issue? Perhaps I need to meter the connectors?

[sixcardmark]

Just ran test 13 on four machines and could not get a 13-1 on any of them.  Even unplugged the coin optics on one so I could start test with a code 21, same thing 13-0 until door closed, then 13-toggle 0-1 with door closed/latch down.

[rokgpsman]

Does his machine possibly have the door optics parts installed reversed? Emitter where the receiver should be? The connectors on both optic parts are the same, so it is possible to get them installed wrong.

[Amechanic]

Does his machine possibly have the door optics parts installed reversed? Emitter where the receiver should be? The connectors on both optic parts are the same, so it is possible to get them installed wrong.

If they were installed backwards or each in the wrong location you wouldn’t get any response from the optics.

[rokgpsman]

What about a wrong SP chip for the version of mpu board? (16mhz SP chip installed on a 10mhz mpu, or vice-versa). Would that cause crazy door optic operation?

I'm thinking of oddball things, it seems like all of the logical and usual causes have already been looked at.

[Jim]

yes we looked at all the obvious problems with the optics, HOWEVER,  there can many other reasons that the optics won't work,  wiring issues (could be resolved by voltage and continuity tests) and finally the board itself. (if we knew for sure the board was good, or no bent pins somewhere, or some connector not seated properly) 

first step I would do would be to verify the voltages are present, using the machine connector as the measuring point.  all that information is in the download section, in the repair book for the S+,  it is labeled as the "constant door open state"  page  14.   

P.S.   looking at your posted pictures,  picture z3,  the optics could never work like that, they aren't close to being aligned. 

Jim   

[sgolembiewski0903]

yes we looked at all the obvious problems with the optics, HOWEVER,  there can many other reasons that the optics won't work,  wiring issues (could be resolved by voltage and continuity tests) and finally the board itself. (if we knew for sure the board was good, or no bent pins somewhere, or some connector not seated properly) 

first step I would do would be to verify the voltages are present, using the machine connector as the measuring point.  all that information is in the download section, in the repair book for the S+,  it is labeled as the "constant door open state"  page  14.   

P.S.   looking at your posted pictures,  picture z3,  the optics could never work like that, they aren't close to being aligned. 

Jim

Where can I find the download section?


Also, I double checked and the optics are installed on the correct sides.

[Amechanic]

It’s located on the very top of every page in the blue print. Here a link.

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=downloads

[sgolembiewski0903]

It’s located on the very top of every page in the blue print. Here a link.

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=downloads

Hmm, it says I am not allowed to view downloads. Do I need to ask a moderator for permission?

[Amechanic]

It’s open to contributing members of NLG. For a small donation to the sight it opens up to you. Well worth the money. There is a link at the bottom of each page for that too.

[sgolembiewski0903]

Sounds good I was planning on doing that anyways, nowsn a better time than any I reckon!

[rokgpsman]

If case you haven't already seen it, there is also a lot of good information in the How-To Guides and other "Sticky Notes" found at the top of the S+ forum area:
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=80.0

Also, on the NLG homepage in the panel on the right-side of the screen is "Rick's FAQ" area with links to many useful S+ posts:
http://newlifegames.com/nlg/

And the old NLG website is still archived and available for reading. The S+ model has been out long enough that the discussions and information on the old site is still valuable to S+ owners:
http://newlifegames.net/nlg/

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.....Hmm, it says I am not allowed to view downloads. Do I need to ask a moderator for permission?

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[rokgpsman]

.....first step I would do would be to verify the voltages are present, using the machine connector as the measuring point.  all that information is in the download section, in the repair book for the S+,  it is labeled as the "constant door open state"  page  14.   

I think this is the troubleshooting page Jim referred to:

[sgolembiewski0903]

It seems as if all the options that I am able to perform myself have been done... might have to call in a service? I don't have the parts on hand to start doing things like switching boards, and I have zero knowledge of how to read these types of diagrams! It kind of seems like we've tried all "first aid" items and now it's time to call in the doctor - to be analagous.



Fixed tiny font issue. -knagl