Noobie looking for help on 3 igt s+

[Jlong]

Hi all.


I had always wanted a slot machine and finally a deal fell in my lap I couldn't say no to. Picked up 3 s+ machines for 150$ here in Costa Rica. Yes they have been used and abused in various casinos down here. But they are mostly complete. 2 even take the local currency in the bill acceptors. The 3rd bill acceptor doesn't work. Anyways on to the questions. 2 are double black tie with ss4714 and sp882. Can't find any information on the sp882 chip programming. One of the 2 is set up with Montana crediting and the other only takes 3 coins at a time. Anyone still have a PDF or a doc for the sp882 laying around?  The other machine is a haywire I haven't torn into it yet too much but it's missing it's motherboard and the battery on the main board made a mess inside. Probably why the motherboard was removed. Any help would be appreciated with the sp882. I am still combing eBay for a motherboard to get the other one up and running. Great site by the way. Been super helpful getting the answers I needed here to have 2 working properly.

[jay]

Always good to help a Tika out....

I think your looking for a MPU board. That is the removeable board in the tray. The motherboard is the small fixed board that the MPU slides into.
You might want to contact some of those on the home page as they will likely have the S+ MPU motherboard.
Often better than a Ebay buy as the board will be tested and confirmed working.
If you have the tray (with a small transformer) you can likely ship just the MPU board and save the weight of the tray.

The Bill validator that is not working likely needs to use a SET chip to activate.
If your buying a SET chip, (and paying for shipping) also buy a Clear chip. Probably get those chips from the same vendor as the MPU board.

With regards to the SET chip. Go to the home page. Lower right side is RICKS FAQs and it will show the process for using the SET chip.
The clear chip is used to bring the machines back to factory settings. Rarely used but good to have just in case.

For the 882 (game chip) you are looking for a document called a PSR (Program Summary Report) and it has all the instructions of how to program the machine.
The other chip is the Reel chip and you can get a PAR sheet for that (Paytable and Reel) it will tell you the game %% payout frequency etc.

You can get some of that information from the online IGT game bible also to be found in Ricks FAQ.
There is also a simplified S+ game setting excel sheet that you should be able to find in the files area of the site.
With or without the PSR sheet this should help.

[Jlong]

Thanks jay for your super quick reply.


Actually I am looking for the small board that all the wires and mpu plug into. The mpu on that machine was a mess from the battery exploding but I cleaned it up pretty good and tried it in one of the others. Got a code 12 on the screen. So I'll get a battery here locally and try it again. Hopefully it will give me a 61 and I'll know it works. Got my fingers crossed on it. I'll check out the FAQs.  I searched and searched for that sp882 couldn't find the documentation for it. Is it the same as another chip perhaps?

[rokgpsman]

I didn't see anything on the SP882 document in the NLG files area. And this long list of SP chips (below) doesn't show the SP882 either:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=303.msg847#msg847

So it is probably one for exported machines that we don't see much here in USA. Maybe one of the folks here on NLG has it in their personal collection. There are other SP chips that have the Montana credits feature, you might be able to use the PSR for one of them to guide you on programming the machine with SP882. Check the list of SP chips (linked above) to see which ones have Montana credits.

just to make sure we are using the same terminology,
The smaller circuit board that is mounted horizontally on the bottom floor of the machine cabinet is called the  "motherboard". The larger board that plugs into it and stands vertically is the "mpu" board. The mpu is the board with the battery.

Here is the NLG S+ gamepage for the Double Black Tie, the chart shows that the SS4714 has a payout percentage that is on the low side of what's available but that may be normal for casinos in your area. Some cruise ships and resort areas tend to have crummy payout percentages to fleece the tourists I guess.

http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Black%20Tie%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm

I couldn't tell if you meant the 3rd machine bill validator doesn't work at all, or if it doesn't work with local currency. If the 2 bill validators that accept local currency are DBV-200 or DBV-145 you might be able to remove the eprom from one of them and clone it to make another bill validator eprom for use in the third machine. Then just get a good-working bill acceptor for that 3rd machine and install your CR currency eprom.

By using the white TEST button you can check the machine's settings to see if the bill validator is enabled or disabled. If it is enabled but still doesn't work you can try it in one of the other machines to see if the bv works or not.

[Jlong]

thanks rokgpsman you guys are super helpful on this forum.  I kind of have a passion for restoring old coin operated machines.  Jukeboxes, soda machines even did a old payphone.  Of all the forums i have used this is definitely the fastest for replies. 

I believe you are correct about the sp882 being an export chip.  As these machines were used in casinos here and yes the payouts are garbage.  They clean out the tourists here all the time on the slots, maybe have a chance with cards or roulette.  When i googled the sp882 i got a link to an old post on newlifegames.net from 2009 where it looks like user stayouttadabunker found the psr for the sp882 for another user.  I know that was almost 10 years ago but hey i had to try.  Maybe its better if i just get new eproms for one of the blacktie machines and a whole game kit for the other. 

I thought it was kinda strange that both machines have the sp882 and are completely different.  One doesn't do credits at all. It will only take up to 3 coins and then reject unless you spin the reels.  if you win it immediately pays you the winnings. It also is the one i used for testing the bill validators on as its enabled on that machine.  But it works like a change machine.  Stick the bill in and it spits coins out.  The other machine works with credits.  Takes as many coins as you feed into it and you have to hit the cash out button for it to spit coins out. I guess its all in the options but i have no idea how to set them up without a psr. Ill try looking at the other psr here and see if there is one that makes sense compared to what i see on the screens when i push the test button.

The bill validators are all jcm wba 11 frames. 2 have wba 13ss heads one has a wba 11 head.  the 2 13s are the ones that work.  they power up and cycle properly and take local currency when i tested them in the one enabled slot.  the other bill validator that is both wba 11 head and frame wont take local currency but it may be due to the currency being changed back in 2007.  The eprom has a different label as well.  I think you are right I may only need to change the head and clone the chips from one of the other working validators.

I can tell these are going to be fun projects. 

 

[Amechanic]

If your in need of a S+ mother board I’m sure if you posted a WTB (want to buy) ad in the Classified section one of our many vender can help you. I might even have one here, I can check tomorrow. I’m currently  building a Haywire machine here, and I just converted it to a SP1274 game chip. Works great.

[rokgpsman]

NLG member Stayouttadabunker is still active on NLG, you could try sending a pm to him to see if he still has the SP882 document. Some of us never throw away or delete anything. Here is his NLG profile page and it has some contact info:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?action=profile;u=17

Or if you see one of his posts here on NLG you can click on one of the contact icons that is shown to the left side of his post, down below his username.

The action you describe about the machine not taking any more than 3 coins is the way the "normal" SP chip performs. Most S+ machines will only let you put in whatever the max coins are for 1 spin, coins inserted after that are rejected back to the coin tray. It takes a certain SP chip to let you insert a bunch of coins and build up credits. I think the SP chips that have the Montana credits feature will let you "tokenize" the coin so that each coin inserted will give you several credits, like insert a quarter and get 100 credits.

The other thing you mention about all winning spins getting paid immediately from the hopper instead of going to the credit meter, or sticking in a bill and it paying out coins from the hopper (like a change machine) are controlled by settings in the TEST menus. You should be able to change that. So even with the same SP882 chip in both machines you can select different options in the TEST menus so the machine don't have to operate the same.

On the player deck is there a button over to the left that says "Cash-Credit"? If so, pressing it once may change the machine that is paying out wins immediately to start storing the wins as credits.

[rokgpsman]

You mentioned possibly changing one of the Double Black Tie machines to another game. I think the Double Black Tie game is a "clone" of some other S+ games, such as Double Red, White & Blue:

http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Red,%20White%20&%20Blue%20(3%20Coin%20Mul.htm

and the Double BlackJack game:

http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Double%20Black%20Jack%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier.htm

Possibly others. So you could change out the glass and strips on one of the Dbl Blk Tie machines to a clone game, the mpu chips would stay the same. That way you'd have a different looking machine and not need to change out the SP or SS chips. Of course, sometimes the glass and strips come with the SS chip so this may not be a big-deal idea, but something to be aware of. (plus, with those low-percent SS4714 chips I'd be thinking about changing them anyway, unless you are setting up a tourist-oriented casino)   

From what I understand, the WBA bill acceptors with an even model number (WBA-12) have an eprom and the model numbers with an odd number (WBA-11) have a flash rom. Or I've got that backwards. Anyway, the software for the WBA is stored in a chip located in the transport/stacker mechanism. So if you have the models that have an eprom you can more easily update and work with them.

[rokgpsman]

Attached is the PSR for SP1137. It is one of the few SP chips that has the Montana credits feature. Maybe it will be similar enough to your SP882 chip that you can get some of the programming for it taken care of. Don't be surprised if some of the programming info doesn't work, the SP882 is an older chip and SP1137 might have some newer features.

[sixcardmark]

Add Hot Peppers to the list:
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Hot%20Peppers%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm

[Jlong]

Amechanic let me know if you have one. I am still putting a parts wishlist together. A vendor already contacted me but I will need several parts to get these machines back to 100%. Not to happy with the condor plus comparitors that they have. They are locked to one coin only and can't be programmed.




Rokgpsman. I will give him a try. Wasn't sure if I could just ask someone about a 10 year old post and actually expect an answer. But good to know there are more out there like me that keep stuff like that just in case. I believe the machine that is doing credits is "tokenized" 1 coin is 4 credits but cash out is 1 coin per credit. Kinda weird but I'll get it sorted out. The other machine that pays per win does indeed have a cash credit button but sadly when I tried it it does nothing. It doesn't even light up with a good bulb in it. But the pays per win is kinda fun. Gives it more action. Just need to make bills go to credits.


Good to know about just changing the glass and strips. I'll do amor searches and see which ones are compatible with it and see if I can track any down. These machines are getting older by the day. The bill validators have EPROMs in the transport mechanism. Actually 2 on a board with pins that goes into the socket on the mechanisms board. Looks nothing like the pictures I have seen online of the WBA-11. Maybe due to the currency here. I'll see if I can post a pic or 2 tomorrow to share.


Awesome thanks for the psr. I'll print it out and give it a try tomorrow afternoon and see how it lines up and let you know how it turned out.

[rokgpsman]

I found another psr that might be helpful, this one is SP878. It doesn't have Montana credits but I thought the rest of it might be similar to your SP882 since the SP numbers are so close to each other. Let us know how it goes!

Open the main door and look under that Cash-Credit button, make sure it doesn't have a wire disconnected.

EDIT- check the dipswitches on the mpu board on both DBT machines to see if they match, with some SP chips there is a dipswitch setting that causes inserted bills to go directly to hopper payout (dipswitch #4). Also check TEST menu option setting #8 Bill Acceptor Pay Mode, should be set to 8-1 for inserted bills to go to credit meter. I don't know if your SP882 chips works this way but it might.

[rokgpsman]

Add Hot Peppers to the list:
http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Hot%20Peppers%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm

Thanks Mark - IGT sure did get a lot of mileage out of their S+ games. They probably have 100 original games, the other 900 are clones and variations, like Triple Double Gobble-Gobble.     

[ANIslots]

i know this is a silly question, But what is the Montana Credit Feature

[RB]

Montana credits allow additional coins to go to credit rather than dropping to the tray after the max for the game is inserted. I really like SP1137.

[ANIslots]

Montana credits allow additional coins to go to credit rather than dropping to the tray after the max for the game is inserted. I really like SP1137.

aw never seen one of those yet,


mine drops to tray, and if insert coins fast enough hopper will spit extra ones back out

[Amechanic]

Montana credits allow additional coins to go to credit rather than dropping to the tray after the max for the game is inserted. I really like SP1137.

Always wished the option was available on all S+ Games like it is on the S2000 machines.

[rokgpsman]

It is a neat option, I assume it got the name "Montana" credits because of a gaming jurisdiction requirement there some time in the past. (or maybe that famous SF 49ers quarterback had some influence).   

[ANIslots]

It is a neat feature, I assume it got the name "Montana" credits because of a gaming jurisdiction requirement there some time in the past. (or maybe that famous SF 49ers quarterback had some influence).   

the introduction of multi denom had something to do with it as well


25 cent  coin on a 1$ credit machine cant have that auto going to the bet

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[rokgpsman]

The state of Montana is restrictive on gambling. They allow video poker and a few other video machines in the casinos but not slot machines, and no reel-based machines. An exception is in the Indian casinos, they have the class II bingo style slot machines that can have reels. So I'm not sure what the origin of the term "Montana credits" is.

https://www.americancasinoguide.com/casinos-by-state/montana-casinos.html