IGT Double diamond S Plus, RESTORATION

[David Walz]

Video of the problem with it free playing.

https://youtu.be/BnuznxYLI6Y

[sixcardmark]

I noticed 2 things: When you can spin again without inserting coins you get no reel sound on the spin before and everything that should be lit is not.  The other thing was when you won 2 credits for a cherry it said winner paid but gave no credits. 

[jay]

Or did it give credits ? but not shown on the display .....

I am really not familar with the current game chip.
I would first try changing to a 1271 and if that does not change the behavior then I would consider a different MPU board.

[David Walz]

I have found something out lifting the door handle breaking the door optics and it locks the pull handle. Back down the door optics then unlock the handle.   

This a puzzler.

[sixcardmark]

Adjust the optics and it may play right.

[David Walz]

Adjust the optics and it may play right.

Are you drinking a beer?
The optics have to disengage for the pull handle to lock. 

[knagl]

Adjust the optics and it may play right.

Are you drinking a beer?
The optics have to disengage for the pull handle to lock. 

Sixcard is likely correct here. Thank you for posting the video, it's very helpful.

It's not "free playing" as you're calling it, but it's detecting the door as opening, then closing, and re-spinning the reels back to their last position. If you look closely on those so-called free spins that happen with no music, the machine just re-spins the reels back to the same outcome of the previous paid spin.

Your door optics are likely loose or not aligned very well, and the physical movement of the handle is just enough on occasion to cause the machine to momentarily think that the door was opened, and then immediately closed.

On newer GAME (SP) chips, those re-spins would stop on reverse order -- right to left -- to make it even more clear that it's just the machine resetting itself to the last outcome, but regardless, that's what's happening here.

[knagl]

when you won 2 credits for a cherry it said winner paid but gave no credits.

It spit out two quarters from the hopper.

[David Walz]

Adjust the optics and it may play right.

Are you drinking a beer?
The optics have to disengage for the pull handle to lock. 

Sixcard is likely correct here. Thank you for posting the video, it's very helpful.

It's not "free playing" as you're calling it, but it's detecting the door as opening, then closing, and re-spinning the reels back to their last position. If you look closely on those so-called free spins that happen with no music, the machine just re-spins the reels back to the same outcome of the previous paid spin.

Your door optics are likely loose or not aligned very well, and the physical movement of the handle is just enough on occasion to cause the machine to momentarily think that the door was opened, and then immediately closed.

On newer GAME (SP) chips, those re-spins would stop on reverse order -- right to left -- to make it even more clear that it's just the machine resetting itself to the last outcome, but regardless, that's what's happening here.

My apologies to SIXCARD, I was being funny.  Thanks to everyone for helping me out, educating me on this IGT, it may be an older IGT, but it's definitely a keeper ❤. 

Let's continue with this IGT 

David Walz

[David Walz]

Ok, this morning I had my coffee and I gotten started.
What I learned is that the door optics are working perfectly. I used my test optics and observed the machine. The coin light turned on when the optics were energized and off when powered off. The pull handle coil is specifically off  when the door is closed, on when opened.

[jay]

With respect to your test optics.

The speculation was that the mounting/wiring of the production optics was suspect causing intermittent results due to the handle movement as opposed to the base functionality of the optics.
Ie when you pulled the handle was it perhaps pulling the wire on the optics ever so little to cause the optic disconnect, or is there a short causing the same thing - exposed bit on the wire, a odd crimp.

I have been on the forum from the start and this is a very unique problem we have not seen come up previously.

[David Walz]

Adjust the optics and it may play right.

Are you drinking a beer?
The optics have to disengage for the pull handle to lock. 

Sixcard is likely correct here. Thank you for posting the video, it's very helpful.

It's not "free playing" as you're calling it, but it's detecting the door as opening, then closing, and re-spinning the reels back to their last position. If you look closely on those so-called free spins that happen with no music, the machine just re-spins the reels back to the same outcome of the previous paid spin.

Your door optics are likely loose or not aligned very well, and the physical movement of the handle is just enough on occasion to cause the machine to momentarily think that the door was opened, and then immediately closed.

On newer GAME (SP) chips, those re-spins would stop on reverse order -- right to left -- to make it even more clear that it's just the machine resetting itself to the last outcome, but regardless, that's what's happening here.

Went through the machine with the same results.

[David Walz]

Adjust the optics and it may play right.

Went through the machine with the same results.

[David Walz]

With respect to your test optics.

The speculation was that the mounting/wiring of the production optics was suspect causing intermittent results due to the handle movement as opposed to the base functionality of the optics.
Ie when you pulled the handle was it perhaps pulling the wire on the optics ever so little to cause the optic disconnect, or is there a short causing the same thing - exposed bit on the wire, a odd crimp.

I have been on the forum from the start and this is a very unique problem we have not seen come up previously.

I know that you have a lot of  experience, I have been on the old site looking for a solution.

Just my luck, I have a new problem that is a mystery. 

I am going to figure this out, the pull handle coil has a distinct "click" when unlocking and unlocking, so that's a important view that the machine is operating backwards with the coil.

Just a thought, the coil wires that plug in on each post doesn't make a difference, correct.

[Stayouttadabunker]

The pull handle coil is specifically off when the door is closed, on when opened.

It's not a "mystery" at all...that's how I like to test machines for proper play.... using Service credits.
If you disconnect one of the door optics (door emitter or cabinet receiver), the machine can be fully "free play" if you run 2 wires to from the service button switch on the button deck to the Service Coin button on the coin-in optics board.
Also, the game will "automatically" play by itself if the pull handle is pulled fully downwards and tied off, as long as there's credits on the reel glass display.

The only problem is, the Cash Out button will be disabled....so what?
All you have to do is connect the optics back and close the door.... all the Service credits will get wiped out.
You will also notice that the bottom half of the candle will be flashing fast.

[David Walz]

The pull handle coil is specifically off when the door is closed, on when opened.

It's not a "mystery" at all...that's how I like to test machines for proper play.... using Service credits.
If you disconnect one of the door optics (door emitter or cabinet receiver), the machine can be fully "free play" if you run 2 wires to from the service button switch on the button deck to the Service Coin button on the coin-in optics board.
Also, the game will "automatically" play by itself if the pull handle is pulled fully downwards and tied off, as long as there's credits on the reel glass display.

The only problem is, the Cash Out button will be disabled....so what?
All you have to do is connect the optics back and close the door.... all the Service credits will get wiped out.
You will also notice that the bottom half of the candle will be flashing fast.

Now, I am 100% confused.  All I want is the coil handle to lock when the door shuts. What do I need to do to achieve my goal?

Thanks
David

[jay]

I think we are at the same spot.

What Mark (Bunker) was saying is that the behavior you are seeing is normal when the door optics are disconnected and gave you a roadmap if you ever wanted to mod the machine to be in free-play.

What we are trying to solve is why the door optics are disconnecting at random times - perhaps associated with the handle movement.
Your posts seemed to indicate that the only time the issue was occuring was when you were using the slot arm and never occured when you were just using the spin buttons.

My earlier post speculates/theorizes that the optic wire was running by the interior handle mech and was being compromised in someway. Ie crimped, pulled, shorted etc.

[knagl]

David, I see you have the optics mounted on a box so that they're always closed (unless you block the path with something) rather than them being mounted in the machine like they normally would have been.

That's fine, let's work with that. If you place your optics box on a solid surface that isn't affected by the physical movement of the handle mechanism, does this issue still happen? If so, you then likely have a loose wire connection (or an intermittent short as Jay suggested) for your door circuit that is causing the machine to think that the door has been briefly opened when you operate your pull handle.

[David Walz]

David, I see you have the optics mounted on a box so that they're always closed (unless you block the path with something) rather than them being mounted in the machine like they normally would have been.

That's fine, let's work with that. If you place your optics box on a solid surface that isn't affected by the physical movement of the handle mechanism, does this issue still happen? If so, you then likely have a loose wire connection (or an intermittent short as Jay suggested) for your door circuit that is causing the machine to think that the door has been briefly opened when you operate your pull handle.

That is my tester, I built it for diagnostics. The door and cabinet have their own optics. It's a plug in, unplug system, nothing is hacked, butchered, just plug and unplug. The optics wiring is "factory".

Basically I have two sets of optics.

[David Walz]

I think we are at the same spot.

What Mark (Bunker) was saying is that the behavior you are seeing is normal when the door optics are disconnected and gave you a roadmap if you ever wanted to mod the machine to be in free-play.

What we are trying to solve is why the door optics are disconnecting at random times - perhaps associated with the handle movement.
Your posts seemed to indicate that the only time the issue was occuring was when you were using the slot arm and never occured when you were just using the spin buttons.

My earlier post speculates/theorizes that the optic wire was running by the interior handle mech and was being compromised in someway. Ie crimped, pulled, shorted etc.

Thank you, everyone, for putting up with my learning curve, I am trying to get up to speed.
So, the problem is in the optics.
Both my door optics and my tester optics create the same problem nothing has changed.