Help needed for a 3 coin S+ Haywire Deluxe

[gswoods1]

HI, I'm a new member, thanks for letting me join.

I just got an IGT 3 coin Haywire Deluxe machine, its got SP790 and SS6417 chips. I need some help. I'm new to slot machines so I'm learning on the fly. The first thing I learned was it needed a battery change, now it has the 61 error. I've tried everything I could find on here and believe I'm down to getting a clear chip. I also need the PSR for SP790.

The other machine I got is a 2 coin IGT River Gambler SP872, SS4587 which also needed a battery, it returned to normal after the battery swap but the bill machine won't accept bills. I don't know if I need a set chip??? or old, small head money. Its a DVB 200, that's all I've learned about it.

I'd appreciate any help I can get.

[rokgpsman]

Hello and Welcome to NLG!   

I moved your post here to the S+ forum area, I think you will get more viewing and more help here. To keep things from getting too complicated let's work on the Haywire Deluxe machine in this discussion topic, and you can start another discussion topic for the River Gambler machine. Keep in mind when troubleshooting the DBV-200 you want to only use a $1 bill to prove if the DBV-200 is working or not. Its software could be so old that all bills your try except the $1 get rejected. So just use $1 only to see if you can get the DBV-200 to work. When it does then you can try other bills.

Just click below and then click on "New Topic" to start a separate discussion, tell us about the River Gambler machine and your questions about it. It's ok to have 2 separate discussions going at the same time and is better for everyone to keep them separated due to different machines and different issues.

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?board=80.0

We will need some photos of anything on the Haywire Deluxe machine that you think is the problem or that you have questions about. So at this point you are fighting an error 61 that you can't get rid of? Are you sure the door optic sensors are working ok? Have you read and tried the suggestions in this error 61 guide? If so tell us the results so we can narrow down what is causing it.

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=21017.msg111271#msg111271

Also, see the image attached below for what the SP709 document says about clearing the error 61. Be sure you press and hold the white TEST button long enough when clearing the error condition.

Your SS6417 Haywire Deluxe game info is here:

http://www.newlifegames.net/igtbible/IGT%203CM/Game%20Library%20-%20S-Plus%20-%20Haywire%20Deluxe%20(3%20Coin%20Multiplier).htm

[gswoods1]

Thanks for all the info, very cool.. I will start another topic about the DVB.. Anyhow I have tried all the simple 61 tests on here, none worked. Now I'm not sure about the door optics.. I know after I put the new battery it did go to 61-1 but then I don't know what happened.   I can't remember what step I took. I was brand new and more then likely forgot to shut the door before I hit the key? and then I made more " Homer " mistakes, LOL...DOHHHH!!! 
I will look for the info on how to test the door optics and try that before "clearing" the machine.. I have to get a clear chip first anyhow.

[gswoods1]

I forgot to mention that nothing lights up on this machine and I can't remember if anything lit up the first time I powered it up after changing the battery... Losing my mind, lol

[rokgpsman]

...I will look for the info on how to test the door optics and try that before "clearing" the machine.. I have to get a clear chip first anyhow.

Just to make sure about something,,,,,

Don't get mixed up about "clearing the error 61". That does NOT always mean using a Clear chip. In that context of the instructions it just means to get rid of the error. So when they say press the white TEST button to clear the error that just means press the TEST button to make the error 61 go away, it doesn't mean to use the Clear chip. "Clearing the error" is another way of saying "get rid of the error".

Instructions for using the Clear chip will say something like "do the Clear procedure", or "Clear the cmos ram".

The Clear chip is used to erase and initialize the cmos chip memory. That's the special memory chip that the battery keeps alive even when the machine is powered off. When the battery does dead the cmos chip memory contents are lost. This can sometimes cause a problem with the error 61 occurring. There are other ways to try to get rid of the error 61 before having to resort to using the Clear chip, you want to do those things first.

[rokgpsman]

I forgot to mention that nothing lights up on this machine and I can't remember if anything lit up the first time I powered it up after changing the battery... Losing my mind, lol

Do the fluorescent lights work? Have you checked the fuses, there should be 3 of them near the power switch.

Does the digital display on front of machine light? With the machine turned off the reels should rotate easily. Then turn the machine on and feel the reels with your hands, try to move them and they should have a stiffness or resistance to being moved. If not then read below:

There is a power supply wiring harness that connects to the front part of the motherboard. The motherboard is the circuit board in the bottom of the machine. It is the board that the vertically mounted mpu board plugs into. Look at the white connector on the motherboard, see if it has any darkened or burned spots on it. Be sure to check the backside. It just slides off by pulling upward. Slide the white connector up and down a little while the machine is turned on, if the machine comes alive you've found a problem. If you find darkened spots on the white connector that is a problem too.

[jay]

Hi,


If your getting a 61 error. Then your issue is not the power as shown. The burnt center connector will give you loose reels and your coinin/winner paid will be blank.
You more than likely have a burnt fuse or your bulbs/starters are gone.


The instructions to get past the 61 are in RICKS FAQs - on the right side of the home page. If you find yourself in the 61 loop you will need the set chip to clear.

[gswoods1]

Well I wrote to soon, lol, I got a bulb I know works and tried it in the Haywire and found the lights will work. The 3 mini bulbs for the bulbs that light up the blue strip with the 25 c sign do not. I don't know whats behind there that those lights illuminate, nor the proper term for that piece? Aren't these bulbs similar to older chevy model trucks marker lights??? they might be a little smaller??? I tried the painters tape trick to see if my door optics are aligned, it seems they are, but to be sure, whats the volts or amps I should get to the door harness??? To be honest I'm not that talented with a volt meter so if you give directions be fairly specific please.. These days I forget a lot of stuff...  One thing, the candle is not lit up??? I will inspect all the fuses and let you know.. I wonder if there's a checklist that everyone with a 61 error should be sent to to go thru every step regardless of what's been tried etc.. just to start everyone at the same point so at any given time the person with the error can be asked where they are in the process and they can give a definitive answer, like, I just finished number 3 and now I will go to the number 4 test  and set my volt meter to 10 vdc and check the door optics wire harness, and if there's a question of where to check maybe some pictures to show how to do it?? I'm sure that would a big undertaking to set that up.. I know being new I should probably stick to asking questions but theres alot of 61 error posts on here and NLG.net with many different approaches to solve the problem which kinda confused me??? Anyway just a thought BTW, evidently I'm going blind to because I couldn't even search and find Ricks FAQ's

[gswoods1]

And now I know I'm blind,,,lol because I went back to the homepage and there were Ricks FAQ's right there on the right that I had missed 3 times before posting my last post. Sorry

[jay]

Let’s try and address this one at a time.
As per RICKs FAQs - the 61 becomes a 61-1 with the door open and then clears when the door is closed, key turned etc. SO if this procedure takes you back to a 61 then your optics are likely ok but your going to need a clear chip to get you out of that loop.


When the 61 is cleared and your into game mode - if the game won’t play then we can play with optics but I don’t think we should be trouble shooting theoretical alignment issues. If you want to see if the optics are working you can use a digital camera to see if the sending optics are lit. The optics use IR light and it shows on a camera as a bright dot.


Per the light bulbs (non fluorescent) you can check with a multimeter. You will either get continuity or not. The not says dead bulb.


The candle will flash with door open - but only after the 61 is cleared. It goes off when the first game is played. Pressing the change button generally lights up one of the candle segment. There is a separate guide that can tell you what all the blinking / solid segments mean. Once again check your bulbs and fuses to make sure they are good. If the bulb is good and your not getting blindly blindly don’t worry about it until 61 is cleared.

[gswoods1]

I tried the camera test, but first I gotta ask this,,, will it work with an Iphone camera?? because I saw no white dot, just saw the optics housing and lens.
I also took some pics of the machine,,, coin intake, the light board behind it and of the MPU just so you all can see what we are dealing with.. To be safe I'm thinking I should order some optics, harness's and I saw someone had a spare MPU as well?? good idea?? It can't hurt to have spare parts around,, can it?? besides now I know I really like tinkering with these things,especially after reading about reprogramming eeproms. power soldering, etc...Who knew???  lol!!!!!   
Question, can I just use jumpers in the end of the optics connectors to simulate the circuit?? or is that not the correct way to say that??


Let me explain this as well,,,,,,,,,,,,, So I power up the machine and tension sets in all 3 reels. the fluorescent bulbs come on and the speaker makes a sound.. The candle does nothing and I guess that's because it's beginning to appear the door optics are not working. If I press the white test button on the MPU and hold it, after several seconds the 61 will disappear and a 0 or 1 will alternate in the coins played window,,, IF I just turn the key I get a click at the arm and a 0 then a 1 alternate in the window... By either turning the key or pressing the coin button I can scroll thru several different screens and then it will go back to code 61,,, but trying to pinpoint which screen is what is daunting even tho I had my laptop open to NLG, I had IGT Owners Manual S+ Slot Machines guide and `IGT Troubleshooting Guide IGT S-Plus guide open as well. I've been doing my due diligence I still haven't found what volts run to the optics?? and which one is the emitter side that should have shown the white dot in the camera??

[jay]

Hi,

An IPhone should work. Try turning off your overhead lights and see if the dot shows up. It won't be super bright and it will likely be pulsing.

The emitter / receiver is modulated so it sends a pattern that must be received the same way. The optics can't be bypassed by a simple short.
Old M class and some early S machines could be. One way of cheating was to use a strong light to blind the optic and force the door lock by physically rotating it.
That way they could open the door and steal the money without tipping off security that it was ever compromised. When I say steal - theft was pretty low as it would take 400 quarters to get just $100 - that's a lot of loose change. As slots were updated - the S+ uses a lock for the cash can, belly door, mpu cage, etc.
Player tracking systems were also updated to detect a door open and send an alarm back to central security. You may see a slot tech putting his card into the machine which disables the alarms or at the very least cuts a record that an authorized individual has opened the door.

Holding the test button you should hear a ding and the 61 becomes a 61-1. Close the door, turn the jackpot reset key. The reels will spin.
A momentary press of the button puts you into setup mode. Turning the key can change some of the options. Don't do this randomly.
With the door closed a turn of the reset key will generally put you into stats mode. Again hold your horses on these items until we get past the 61

You will want to download Rons Simplified S+ setup sheet out of the downloads section. This will give you instructions on how to change the various options.
You do not want to do this until you get past the 61 and I would not worry about the candle (although you can check the bulbs) until you get past this error.

[gswoods1]

Well I tried the camera test in the dark last night and I didn't see any light coming from either emitter.. I also tried it on my River Gambler machine and saw the white dots. So I guess I better order optics and harness's just in case. Do you know what part numbers for the optics and harness's are??? Thanks

[rokgpsman]

Can you take the working door optic parts off the River Gambler machine and try them in the Haywire, just to prove that's the problem on the Haywire?

One of the door optic parts is the optic transmitter and the other is the optic receiver. Only the transmitter will give off light that a camera can sometimes see. The receiver does not produce any light.

Is this one of the door optic parts? If so, they list the IGT part number:
http://www.spininc.com/02889-0

[Paul]

They are cheap enough to just get 2 sets and have a spare.
You’ll never know when you’ll need them and the price is only going up.

[rokgpsman]

...... I've been doing my due diligence I still haven't found what volts run to the optics?? and which one is the emitter side that should have shown the white dot in the camera??

The door optic parts don't have a steady voltage like for a light. They are pulsed on and off. If you put a meter on them you will measure an average voltage. I think Jim posted in another thread what to expect if you put a meter on them. They are controlled by the mpu board. Might be good to read this thread (link below) to find out more:

http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=20892.msg110446#msg110446

Optic part on the door is the transmitter (emitter), it has red and black wires.
Optic part on the cabinet is the receiver, it has red and white wires.
Won't work if these parts are installed in reverse location.

[sixcardmark]

Ken/Chris @ Ohio Gaming have door optic sets for sale if you need them: https://ebay.us/PsuvjQ

[gswoods1]

Just want to say thanks to all of you helping me, it's great so many are willing to help a complete stranger,, So I bought a set of optics from ohiogamimg, then saw the post about Spin Inc, so I bought a new set from them along with mini bulb holders and a few different bulbs. I was going to swap the optics from River Gambler to Haywire but decided since I have 2 new sets coming no point in making extra work for my self.. I can have a little patience,,,lol thats one thing I've learned playing Dark Souls 1 and Dark Souls SOTFS... Any gamers out there???

[rokgpsman]

The wires that are attached to the door optic sensors are small and soldered on, it can be easy to break the wire off. So be careful when handling them. Don't pull on the wires when you want to disconnect their connector from the machine's wiring harness. And when replacing them be sure to pay attention and get them installed in the right place. The wire colors are different, that will help you figure out which one goes on the door and which one goes on the cabinet.


 

[gswoods1]

Evening, so update.. My son fixed the DVB on River Gambler, he was just looking things over,you know how machinist's are, lol, anyhow he says "Dad there's a quarter shoved into the dollar slot" so with a long pair of tweezers he dislodged it.. Well what do you know??? it works!!! it even takes new money,, great right?? We also were rechecking the optics and found that by using the self facing camera on an iphone we could see the white dot in the optics plain as day, and if you turn off the power you can prove to yourself that you are seeing the white dot because it will slowly dim out... and we discovered the optics work on the Haywire Deluxe,,, anybody want to buy some otics??? I have 2 sets, lol.. I also got the clear chip and will do that procedure tomorrow.. I'll let you all know how that turns out...