Author Topic: How much is TOO much? (Read 1664 times)

Paul · « **on:** July 01, 2019, 06:45:02 PM »

If you had the chance to buy a working IGT S2000 "wheel of Fortune" 5 times pay, what do you honestly think would be too much?

cowboygames · « **Reply #1 on:** July 01, 2019, 07:59:56 PM »

I sold one last year for $3500

rickhunter · « **Reply #2 on:** July 01, 2019, 10:30:40 PM »

I've always wanted one, but have been afraid of pulling the trigger. If the com board goes, you have an expensive s2000, unless you can find someone who can fix it. (or at least that is what I've been led to believe, the com board allows the game to play stand-alone, not requiring a wap)

cowboygames · « **Reply #3 on:** July 02, 2019, 06:04:59 AM »

That is true, but like the one I sold, some are standalone without needing a comm board. Get one like that or make sure you get programmi g and instructions for the comm board. I could be wrong, but I think when the cmos battery dies it has to be reprogrammed

lookes · « **Reply #4 on:** July 02, 2019, 06:25:58 AM »

If I had about 3 more feet of ceiling height, I'd have one. Cost be damned.

cowboygames · « **Reply #5 on:** July 02, 2019, 07:08:50 AM »

They are just as tall as a standard barcrest machine which is 15" taller than a standard round top

jay · « **Reply #6 on:** July 02, 2019, 08:30:26 AM »

The WOF machines that are out there are quite rare due to the leased theme.
Most have been re-constructed from parts or have been obtained after the machine has been certified as destroyed.

I have seen WOF asking prices in the 9.8k range. Not sure of what they have actually sold for.
I think it is a fun theme but when I see someone selling a group of 9 x S2000's for $3K I would rather have a whole casino.
You could get some nice signage, premium slot stands and chairs.

The $3500 seems more reasonable as these machines are hard to come by still more than what I would be willing to pay.

dailey · « **Reply #7 on:** July 02, 2019, 09:26:27 AM »

I am the proud owner of an S2000 WOF Five Times Pay. I recently acquired this machine. It looks like someone went to a great deal of work restoring this machine because it looks like brand new. I paid $4,500 and it was well worth it to me. I would have paid more. I figure it's a nice way to finish off my collection as I'm now out of space.

This machine is non-progressive and I have wondered whether it is a standalone with no need for a comm board. Can someone tell me how to determine this ? I have no idea what the comm board looks like or where it is located.

cowboygames · « **Reply #8 on:** July 02, 2019, 09:46:52 AM »

If it's not a progressive and has the standard 20,000 coin jackpot chances are it was built standalone. I think the comm board would be in the topbox, but don't know for sure as I've never seen one. Finding the extra board that isn't normally part of an s2000 shouldn't be hard to do if it's there

rickhunter · « **Reply #9 on:** July 02, 2019, 09:59:43 AM »

I would buy one that works without a com board for $3,500 with no issues! I'm always stocking parts for the older machines because once those parts dry up, they will cost a pretty penny. I'm kind of anal when it comes to parts, but the last thing I want is to have a machine that cant' be fixed because I wanted to save $100 back a few years back when the parts were plentiful. So I tend keep spare mpu's, reels, monitors and other misc parts that are rather unique to the machine.

jay · « **Reply #10 on:** July 02, 2019, 10:17:01 AM »

Don't forget there would be the "bonus game board" there as well......
When the standard S2000 win triggers a bonus game the secondary logic takes over and then feeds back the coin win to the main S2000.
This is the way the barcrest and other S+ bonus games work as well.

I am not sure if the comm board would be tied to the bonus game logic or would be simply a form of progressive.
What we do know is that if the progressive is down the game won't play.

With a standard S+ or S2000 you could disable the progressive but this option may be gone in the WOF game software. Thus requiring a comm board to simulate a valid connection.
This would be needed as any testing could not interfere with the actual progressive amounts. Subsequently I would suspect that each WOF sold would have one.
Again all just speculation.

rickhunter · « **Reply #11 on:** July 02, 2019, 10:50:04 AM »

On the bally alpha games with a wheel, it's just another stepper controller and a stepper mech (same as the one used in the main reels). I'm speculating that the WOF wheel uses the same stepper motor it uses for the reels. Other than being considered a "4th" reel, I don't see why you would need any more logic. But again, all speculation since I've never actually seen a WOF game taken apart.

cowboygames · « **Reply #12 on:** July 02, 2019, 11:18:06 AM »

They have their own control board and use a stepper motor a bit bigger than a reel motor

dailey · « **Reply #13 on:** July 02, 2019, 11:59:51 AM »

I believe that if I had the correct award glass that a progressive could be added. The keychip menu does list progressive "Stand Alone Setup" as well as "SAS Progressive Group". I'm not sure this answers the question of whether this machine was built as a standalone or relies on a comm board.

jay · « **Reply #14 on:** July 02, 2019, 12:13:16 PM »

Most of the wheel of fortunes feature a very large progressive that is linked to every other WOF in Nevada.
This is called a WAP - Wide Area Progressive and is hosted by IGT. There is a revenue sharing program with the casino.

In some of the non state casinos - such as first-nations, West Virginia etc the WOF machines were setup to have a standalone progressive - not linked to the one in Nevada.

So if your WOF doesn't have a progressive display it is a rare beast indeed.

For a progressive the casino typically budgets 0.0875% (less than 1 cent) or about $0.88 for every $100 played. This is written off as a marketing fee.
Considering the casino holds just over 7% (92.8% payback) so the fee to attract people to this bank of machines is very small.
The larger the progressive the bigger the attraction.

IGT receives approximately 25% of the progressive contribution amount - and they write this down as licensing fees for the theme and insurance on the progressive amount that the casino will eventually pay out.

Unlike many other themes like StarWars and the hangover the WOF appears to have some staying power making it a big winner in the world of Casinos that change out themes as fast as toilet paper if they are not earning.

rickhunter · « **Reply #15 on:** July 02, 2019, 12:41:30 PM »

It was my understanding (at least in Nevada) that the progressive jackpot that builds up belongs to the "players" and casinos cannot decomission a machine with a progressive award unless they put it back when they replace the machine. I remember reading that on the famous Majestic Lion's share slot propressive that was at the MGM grand for the longest time and a couple finally hit the jackpot after 20 years. It kind of became a tourist attraction kind of people playing the machine trying to win the jackpot.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/aug/24/us-couple-win-las-vegas-lions-share-slot-machine-jackpot

Yoeddy1 · « **Reply #16 on:** July 02, 2019, 01:30:53 PM »

WOF was the only game that I was afraid of. While it's one of my favorites in the real world, I just too scared to pull the trigger on one. Not only cost, but also parts and expertise that can assist with a problem...especially in my neck of the woods. For those that have them, I'm super jealous!

Jason

jay · « **Reply #17 on:** July 02, 2019, 02:20:09 PM »

You are absolutely correct as it pertains to a casino based progressive.

In this case the progressive is owned by IGT so they would need to keep at least one WOF running someplace until it was won.
Caesars could punt WOF out of their chain anytime they want albeit there is likely some contractual opt-out fee they would have to pay to do so.
Given the popularity of the theme this is a unlikely scenario.

MacGUYver · « **Reply #18 on:** July 04, 2019, 01:59:33 AM »

Paul started this for me, I bought one, ps PS taken apart, blown fuse. Tomorrow will tell if I'm lucky or not.

Also got his Munny Returns, vision screen has power but no image. Anyone got a spare?

dale · « **Reply #19 on:** July 04, 2019, 07:49:53 AM »

There is a switch next to the cash can in the Munny Returns, try pushing that..... I'm familiar with those two machines.....

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