Author Topic: Need help identifying this machine (Read 2113 times)

marcdavis · « **on:** August 22, 2019, 08:32:13 AM »

Hi everyone. Found what appears to be an older IGT Game King machine on craigslist and thinking about picking it up and refurbing it. I don't recognize the front panel - never saw one with only 3 buttons. I can't find anything on the model number: 96409800 pic attached; sorry no inside pics yet.

What I do know about it: CRT, older bill validator, quarter-size hopper; no ticket printer; working but Call Attendant/Battery low message. So I am thinking it will be fairly easy to fix. Interested to know what upgrades I can do to it being it is probably on the older side - example: LCD display? ticket printer? newer software?

I have a complete set of 3902 boards (mpu, backplane, chips) - guessing this machine has a 3802 but not sure yet.

Appreciate any insights before I go down this rabbit hole. Thanks everyone.

Marc

Stayouttadabunker · « **Reply #1 on:** August 22, 2019, 09:33:53 AM »

Kiss whatever is in your wallet goodbye...haha just kidding!
It's a nice older Game King that's for sure!

I don't think the deck door will accommodate the multiple bet buttons though for the newer games.

shortrackskater · « **Reply #2 on:** August 22, 2019, 03:21:17 PM »

How much do they want for it?
If it's just the battery, that's great - and hopefully the CRT and touch screen all work.

marcdavis · « **Reply #3 on:** August 22, 2019, 06:40:17 PM »

Asking $200 which I think is reasonable considering condition and age. CRT should be working but I may still look to replace it.

Additional pic of inside attached; still unsure about the panel buttons - I have never seen a 3-button GameKing machine - Pic is unclear but I imagine the 3 buttons are service, cash out and deal/bet max. Anyone seen a cabinet like this?

marcdavis · « **Reply #4 on:** August 22, 2019, 07:10:51 PM »

So if/when I buy this I'm going to upgrade the 3802 board to a 3902. With the newer board is it possible to attach a printer (and ultimately the Bettor TITO board) to do ticket in/out? I realize some cabinet modifications may be required and a newer/different bill validator may be necessary. Just want to understand if it is technically compatible and what wiring harness(es) I may need to hook it up.

Thinking the top-glass can be switched out/modified to include a player-tracking plate and the spot for the printer.

Thoughts/Suggestions?

rickhunter · « **Reply #5 on:** August 23, 2019, 07:36:52 AM »

The button panel area might be an issue, since it looks like you would have to replace it. It is a 3802 with the older I/O setup. I have never done the 3902 upgrade to that, although others here have probably done it. If you upgrade to 3902 you should be able to add a printer, it just needs a netplex plug.

marcdavis · « **Reply #6 on:** August 24, 2019, 08:23:36 PM »

Well I am now the proud owner of a very old GameKing. Attaching the first batch of pics. I have already gutted the machine down to the frame and wiring harness and begun cleaning the cabinet. Pics below. I have some questions...

1. The backplane is a 75904406 Rev B board. Looks very different from my 3902 backplane I took out of a newer gameking. It doesn't have a 'netplex printer' port on it - but it does have what looks like an open netplex port at j2 that I can use for a new printer. One free 4-pin power connector is also available on the distribution unit. This model has a cutout in the coin tray for the ticket out; I am guessing the printer replaces the hopper. If so I would love to get the proper mounting bracket (guessing it slides into the hopper bracket). If anyone has such a bracket please let me know. Related to this - if anyone also has a netplex and power cable that is long enough to reach from the bottom cabinet into the top cabinet I may consider modifying the player-tracking bracket to handle the printer in the top cabinet with the addition of a Netplex power distro board.

1A. I would love it if someone could point me to a manual that had the tech specs for this early generation of GameKing; the manuals I have found are for newer 19" GameKings; nothing seems to match; example - the front panel connectors; the BV is so old it only accepts up to the older $20s (nothing higher); The power supply and power distro components are different; sorta like an S2000 but not; and not like any newer gameking.

2. As a new OEM LCD monitor is list $500 or more I am experimenting with another 19" lcd serial touch screen and trying to scavenge/leverage the CRT's old serial touch screen board. Fairly confident that will work - but I still need to get the VGA signal into the 19-pin connector (and power into the panel); Could someone point me to the pinout diagram for the 19-pin monitor plug? thx

3. Little concerned about the power supply #40810300 RevA 6/1997; Anyone have a replacement? Also not a big fan of the condition of the power distro box #91645200 Rev D.

My Shopping List (most already acquired or in-progress)

- New speaker
- New Service Button
- New Bet One Button
- New Deal/Draw Button
- New MEI Bill Validator
- New 19" LCD Monitor
- New 19" LCD Bezel
- New Netplex Printer (and 8-10pin cable)
- New florescent lamps

Have:

- 3902 MPU and GK 4.3

Appreciate any help; Will continue to post pics as it comes together. Thanks in advance.

Marc

marcdavis · « **Reply #7 on:** August 24, 2019, 08:25:12 PM »

More Pics

Ash100 · « **Reply #8 on:** August 27, 2019, 03:05:58 PM »

I really admire your ambition and dedication to restoring and upgrading that older 19" Game King.

As it so happens, I just picked up an identical one a few weeks ago. It was advertised on Craigslist, and I traded an Ice Chest for it of all things.

Only difference in mine to yours is I've got a full button deck. Never seen one with only 3 buttons.

First thing I did when I got it home was pull the dead 3802 board and plug in my 3902 board from my 13" GK.
Worked like a champ. Even the monitor was clear and crisp with hardly any burn in.

My BV is old and outdated too. I believe it's a WBA-11. So it needs upgraded, but the CC and Hopper work so I can play some games.

Keep us posted on the progress, I'm interested in seeing how your upgrades work out.

Curtis ash100

marcdavis · « **Reply #9 on:** August 27, 2019, 03:27:26 PM »

Quote from: Ash100 on August 27, 2019, 03:05:58 PM

I really admire your ambition and dedication to restoring and upgrading that older 19" Game King.

As it so happens, I just picked up an identical one a few weeks ago. It was advertised on Craigslist, and I traded an Ice Chest for it of all things.

Only difference in mine to yours is I've got a full button deck. Never seen one with only 3 buttons.

First thing I did when I got it home was pull the dead 3802 board and plug in my 3902 board from my 13" GK.
Worked like a champ. Even the monitor was clear and crisp with hardly any burn in.

My BV is old and outdated too. I believe it's a WBA-11. So it needs upgraded, but the CC and Hopper work so I can play some games.

Keep us posted on the progress, I'm interested in seeing how your upgrades work out.

Curtis ash100

Thanks Ash100; Will be posting more pics and my progress; waiting on parts at the moment so I am focusing on the frame and chrome. Doing the cabinet in this chalked charcoal color; may also do some custom graphics on the back of the cabinet. Biggest hurdle is going to be the touchscreen; budget does not allow for an oem lcd replacement. I am going to try to use a more generic touchscreen monitor and jump into the 5 sense lines to send to the touchscreen controller. long shot but as I already had the 19" display it isn't costing me much more than time.

Date codes on this thing are from 96 and 97 so it must be a super early unit; everything in it is just a little different from what is in most GKs - so I am a bit concerned about things like the power supply going on me.

MD

Ash100 · « **Reply #10 on:** August 27, 2019, 03:54:54 PM »

I had to change the power supply in mine, it was getting flakey. I got lucky and found 2 on Ebay for that machine. Both tested good, so I've got 3 total. If you need one, let me know, we could work something out. That's the only machine I have that uses that style.
There is a place called Casino Tech that refurbs all S2000 and GK power supplies. I'm not sure what they charge but plan on getting in touch with then soon about a couple I have that need recapped.
I like your cabinet ideas, and it's a huge cabinet, so there's lots of space for some cool graphics.
I'll keep an eye on this thread to follow your progress.

marcdavis · « **Reply #11 on:** August 27, 2019, 04:01:08 PM »

Thx - What part number do you have on your power supplies? Mine is 40810300 Rev A; it has a 24 pin plug and looks a lot like an S2000 PS but the thumb-screw is in a different spot and the S2000 supplies are missing some pins in their connector while mine has all 24.

marcdavis · « **Reply #12 on:** August 27, 2019, 06:43:57 PM »

So enough parts arrived today to allow me to wire up a VGA connector to the 19-pin cables and do a smoke test. Good news! No smoke! I got a bit of a shock (pun) when I tested voltages for monitor power at the 19-pin connector and got 250 volts! Now I understand why there is a huge transformer in that power distribution module! I can't believe that old CRT needed it; and it is fortunate that most LCD monitors can handle dual voltages these days; but still - I may remove that transformer and wire the output to 120v.

So I hooked up a Dell 19" LCD and put in the original board and she booted! But the picture was just as horrible and mis-colored as the CRT was; also getting a lot of vertical lines and ghosting on text. VGA adapter looked ok. On a hunch I decided to swap out the original 3802 for my 3902 - picture looks 100x better but not perfect; still some vertical lines and a little ghosting. See pics below.

Can anyone suggest what could be going wrong? I tried grounding the monitor to the chassis and the pic got worse - not better. Interference from something electrically?

No touch so the main screen is as far as we go tonight. Stay tuned.

Ash100 · « **Reply #13 on:** August 28, 2019, 08:09:35 AM »

The Power Supply part number that fits the 19" Game Kings is 40810300 Rev. A and so on.

marcdavis · « **Reply #14 on:** September 01, 2019, 07:56:06 PM »

Quick update: made a lot of progress on the machine these past few days; still waiting on the touchscreen panel to come in but everything else is coming along nicely; reassembly has begun. Here are some new pics. First few are of the monitor mount and cabling; I did fix the picture distortion issue; vsync ground was not connected. Then some pics of the interior/exterior work; plus the new paint job - only finished the top box so far.

Also- removed the 240V AC step-up transformer from the power distro box and rewired the output to 120V for the monitor; no sense in sending 240V if we don't need it and it may help the power supply last a little longer. Annoying buzz from the speaker seems to be gone with the removal of the transformer so that's nice too.

marcdavis · « **Reply #15 on:** September 01, 2019, 07:57:54 PM »

Few more pics of the current project state

marcdavis · « **Reply #16 on:** September 05, 2019, 06:19:48 PM »

After much trial-and-error and help from my forum friends I now have a working touchscreen! Had a Kortek 19" which had a bad touchscreen; so hoping to fix it and re-purpose it for this old GameKing and it worked! Still have to mount it properly and build a proper extension cable for the ribbon but it works!! Now I can get to properly testing and configuring the game.

Stayouttadabunker · « **Reply #17 on:** September 05, 2019, 06:28:25 PM »

I knew you could do it!

Tell us what you did to get it working?

marcdavis · « **Reply #18 on:** September 05, 2019, 06:36:04 PM »

Touchscreen plug was in backwards.

To be fair they don't label pin 1 on either end, one end is 5 pins and the other 6 and the pinouts are different between different versions of the touch screen controller. So... ahem... yeah.

Stayouttadabunker · « **Reply #19 on:** September 05, 2019, 06:38:37 PM »

haha....now you see why I was juggling with pairs of wires to get it to draw correctly!

The only one I knew was right was the middle one.

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