Connecting Edwards 55 jackpot bell

[SPN]

I want to install a Edwards 55 jackpot bell in my Bally 742a but I’m not sure where to connect it?


Is it possible to make it ring on any winning combination or is it just for the jackpot ?


After some google search I think it’s a 6v but Im not sure, and I’m not sure how you can see the voltage when it’s not written anywhere on the bell..

[rdaniel]

It is a 6 volt bell.

[wolftalk]

Is it possible to make it ring on any winning combination or is it just for the jackpot ?

if you have the rivets/wipers available on the reel contact plates, you can wire the bell for any/all payouts.  Typically bally did it for jackpot only or jackpot + high pays, but if a casino really wanted to make noise they had the game wired to ring for everything.


however, for games that rang the bell for pays that did not lock up the machine, there's an extra circuit path thru a payout relay switch that is needed to turn off the bell once payout ends.  Without that circuit, the bell would ring until a coin was inserted and the handle release relay powered.


I looked on a couple schematics for machines that did not come with a factory bell.  On those there is still a payout relay switch that you'd tie the bell to if you wanted it ringing for all pays.  The switch has a grey/red wire and a green/white wire and closes when the payout relay is powered.  You'd connect the bell to the green/white wire...and since the wire is on the schem, it exists in the machine at least as far as the hopper plug.

mark sent me this link that has some info also : http://newlifegames.com/nlg/index.php?topic=13164.0


if you want to ring for only certain pays, what is the full model number on the metal plate below the handle and do you have a picture of your payout relay?

[SPN]

I think I wan it to ring on all wins but good to know how to adjust for certain winning combinations also


Thanks 🙏😉

[wolftalk]

the 742A-90SD is a forty-niner version of the 742 made for seisby-denmark.


fortunately, according to my docs the reel tapes, reel wiring, payout counter, and reel index discs are the same as the 742A-90A, and I put the docs for that game on http://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/


I don't have the reel wiring diagram, but you can figure it out from the wire colors and the schematic.  The schem I put on the bingo site is poor, but mostly readable.


if you take a picture of the wiring side of the wiper contact plates for reel 3 and reel 1 (as best you can), that'll help.  My docs say your reels should already be wired for a bell.  Whether your payout relay is you'll need to look.




below is a chunk of the highlighted schem for the 90A. 


- the yellow highlighted circuit is the bell and how the circuit completes thru reel 1 and note how it's connected to all the pays.  If you only wanted some pays to ring, you'd only connect to rivets at those locations on the reel 1 wiper board


- the purple highlight is an example of how a 7's win would connect the bell to wire 30 (transformer common wire) eventually thru the reel wipers, payout relay switch, and a couple other switches.


- the green line is how you can bypass the reels completely.  If you always want the bell to ring during any pay (payout relay powered), then just connect the bell directly to wire 45 on the payout relay switch.  Wire 45 comes off the hopper unit at plug pin 8, so you can tie into it on the cabinet side of the hopper plug.  Since that part of the schem is hard to read, look at the schem for the 742A-92A(T) which is also on the web site.  It's mostly the same, so it's useful in figuring out hard to read areas.

[Badbaud]

It is a 6 volt bell.

The bell is actually 6V DC but a diode is put in series with one of it's leads so it can be driven by 6V AC voltage.
Well, actually, the diode allows pulsing DC to drive the bell, it strips off one side of the AC sine wave

[rdaniel]

Wolftalk, I have an 809 fruit which only rings the bell on bar wins,  single, double or triple bar. Any bar wins will not ring the bell.  If I follow your explanation, can I presume that the technique explained above work for this machine as well?
Thanks

rdaniel

[SPN]

Thanks for your answers and your help I do see progress and I really appreciate It 🙏😉


I have checked my blue and red wire that I think is meant for the bell in the back right corner behind the handle..


The blue wire has voltage but the red wire is dead and ends up on the beau contact on the back of the reel mechanism and is not connected further..


So I guess I have to install a wire from the beau on the reel mechanism (see picture) to the right place..


 

[wolftalk]

Wolftalk, I have an 809 fruit which only rings the bell on bar wins,  single, double or triple bar. Any bar wins will not ring the bell.  If I follow your explanation, can I presume that the technique explained above work for this machine as well?
Thanks

rdaniel

yup.  Most of the schems I have for 809's look like the bell should ring for mixed bars.   Below is schem from an 809-B and is the typical circuit.  As long as there's a bar symbol of some type on each reel, the purple circuit connects. 


What is the complete model number of your machine? 


To get the bell to ring only when there's matching bars on each reel, I'd guess there'd be more wires between the reel contact plates to keep the circuits separated ... e.g. you couldn't tie all the bar rivets together onto wire 80-1 on the connection between reel 2 and 3.

[wolftalk]

Thanks for your answers and your help I do see progress and I really appreciate It 🙏😉


I have checked my blue and red wire that I think is meant for the bell in the back right corner behind the handle..


The blue wire has voltage but the red wire is dead and ends up on the beau contact on the back of the reel mechanism and is not connected further..


So I guess I have to install a wire from the beau on the reel mechanism (see picture) to the right place..


 

the blue wire is probably wire 20, and if so yup, that's the 6V power line.


the schem for the 90A machine says the red wire on pin 20 right above the unused pin you circled (pin 21) is wire 10-2, and that's the other wire going to the bell.


I'm not sure where your red wire by the handle is connected, but if it's going to the cabinet side of the reel plug onto pin 20, then it looks like your wiring is already in place.  Connect the bell to the blue and red wires by the handle and see what happens...or if you want to be more careful, stick your meter leads on the blue and red wires and see if you get 6VAC during a payout that should ring the bell.  You'll only see the voltage for the duration of the pay (payout relay on hopper powered), so pick a bigger payout. 

[SPN]

The red wire goes nowhere and is not in use, and since I wanted the bell to ring on all pay I did as you said and connected a new wire instead of the red wire straight from behind the Beau (wire 45) to the bell and now it’s working on all pay and now the bells are ringing and the house are shaking 🥳 🎰 🔔


My next project is connecting a couple of Bally EM chime gong assembly 702-4 that chime when you enter a coin!
But I can’t find anything about it on the internet or here on the forum, but I have a feeling it’s easier than install the bell
 
🙏😊

[wolftalk]

ignoring the 120V/220V line voltage, typical bally pinball voltages were 6V, 17V, 50V and something in between .... 24V, 28V or 30V.  Your slot has 50V and 6V.


6V won't likely power the solenoid coil enough to operate the plunger, so you'll likely be on the 50V.


you have a cash box meter in the game?  Wire the chime to the two terminals on that thing.  if the meter isn't there, you want orange wire 70 (50V power) and wire 65-2 (on the 9 pin plug)

[SPN]

If you mean coin in out meter I have it and I will also check out the wiring you talking about


Thank you for your help 🙏😇

[wolftalk]

could be called "coin in" on the label.


the schem has a "cash box meter" and a "total in meter".   Cash box meter is counting "ramp switch" closures when the front door is closed, so maybe that's the wrong thing.


total in meter is counting coin relay closures = coins switch closures, but not when certain conditions exist.   That meter has orange wire 70 and white/blue wire 52-1 on it, so if your coin in meter has those wire colors, try that.


fwiw, take a look at reel 1 and see where the solid red wire attached to the lugs is going on the reel contact plate rivets.  It may be hard to see since the spagetti wire will be connecting to rivet(s) lower down, but if you can get a picture or a diagram of what rivets are tied to that wire, you'll know what payouts the game was configured to ring the bell on.


the unattached red wire that went to the handle area was not attached at the reel mech plug? 

[SPN]

Ok Thanks i will check it out tomorrow after work 😉👍


The red wire is not connected in any of the ends


🙏✨

[wolftalk]

was there a wire connected to the cabinet side of the plug where the red wire is - the red wire above your circled unused pin in your pic?


if not, there's where the red wire to the bell goes on most games.


on a 1090 schem, the chime was connected to the same wires as the "total in" meter.

[slcjeeper]

Wolftalk, would you have a schematic for or similar to an 831-R?

[wolftalk]

831-R was a variant for the Lady Luck casino.  Looks like the tapes, wiper contact plate wiring, payout counter and index discs are the same as the 831-D.  One piece of glass is different.


I should have most if not all the paperwork for the 831-D.  I'll put in on http://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/ tomorrow.  There's already an  831-C schem on the site.  It uses the same parts as the -D (including the glass).


the only obvious difference between the -C and -D is the -C has a meter for bottom line jackpots, and the C has "Bally Continental" on the schem

[slcjeeper]

Fantastic Wolftalk! Thank you very much. 

[SPN]

I tried to connect the chime to the cash box unit and I notice that it doesn’t count the first coin every time I try playing,  so it only chime on the two last coins in every game?


The game it self working good when I’m playing three coins and it lights up accepting three lines play