Bally 1183 payout problem

[filounet]

Hello,

I have a Model 1183 Big Spender and it works fine except for 2 things, it doesn't pay off when I have 3 bells or 3 plums.
On the other hand for 3 bells and a cherry or 3 plums and a cherry it pays normally?

This 4-reel machine has the particularity of paying from left to right but also from right to left
Have you ever had this type of problem?

Thank you for your help 

[wolftalk]

can you post a picture of the payout glass?


if a left-to-right bell-bell-bell-X doesn't pay, but bell-bell-bell-cherry pays the correct amount, the most likely thing is the payout counter disc traces under the wipers at reset are cruddy.  The cherry pay steps the wipers a couple times onto a piece of the bell pay trace that is making a good connection.


move the payout counter wipers and clean the traces and see if that helps.  The pay table will tell you which trace the bells/plums pay is powering, so pay particular attention to that one.

[filounet]

Unfortunately I have already cleaned the tracks and checked the combs but that doesn't change anything

[wolftalk]

just to make sure:
- plum-plum-plum-not cherry doesn't pay
- plum-plum-plum-cherry pays 14


also, are there diodes on the reel wipers or contact plates?

[filounet]

Sorry but what is the term diodes?

[wolftalk]

they look like little black cylinders with a grey/white band at one end.

below pic shows four on reel wiper, but usually they are on the wiper contact plate the wipers are sweeping across.


is the no pay / 14 pay description above correct?


also, can you post a picture of the payout counter? 

[filounet]

Here are the photos and everything is in place and very clean but that doesn't change anything? 

[wolftalk]

in other words, it only pays three plums for 14 if a cherry is at either end?

also, can you post a picture of the payout counter?

model 957-A is also a 4 reel, left-right pay with the same reel tape symbols.  The paperwork for that is on http://bingo.cdyn.com/slots/

take a look at the payout counter.  Typically the 14 trace has green/red wire 41 attached.  If that's true on your game, then position the reels on a plum-plum-plum-x win and remove the reel mech from the machine.  Stick an ohmeter probe on grey wire 90 and the other on 41.  You should have almost zero ohms whether reel 4 is a cherry or not.

I'm not sure if plum-plum-plum-cherry should pay 14 or 16 (14 for left-to-right + 2 for right-to-left).  The 957 would just pay 14.

[filounet]

Hello,

 
3 plums and a cherry rings in 13 (red-yellow) and 41 (green-red) and 90 (grey)

3 plums and another ring in 41 (green-red) and 90 (grey)

3 bells and a cherry rings in 13 (red-yellow) and 51 (white-red) and 90 (grey)

3 bells and a cherry rings in 51 (white-red) and 90 (grey)

 

3 plums pay 14 and 3 bells 20.

[filounet]

Thank you very much for your help, your time and your documents
Protect yourself and your loved ones well 

[wolftalk]

"alleen de hoogste prijs betaald" = "only paid the highest price" :-)


are you sure the payout counter trace surface is clean at the wiper reset position?  Your picture doesn't look like it.  Should be shiny silver with maybe just a little black staining.


pull out the hopper and put a meter probe on wire 41 at the solder connection on the payout counter, and the other probe someplace on the 14 trace.  Ideally, measure ohms rather than just continuity.  It should be almost zero ohms.  If it's higher, step up the unit a couple times and see if the resistance drops to near zero.  If it does, the wiper<->trace contact at reset is poor.


what makes sense is the cherry win is paying 2, and that's enough to get the wipers onto a good section of the 14 trace, so then the higher win is detected and it pays up to that amount.


for the bells, the problem is the 20 trace at reset position.   Note 4 oranges and cherries pay 20 correctly because single cherry moves the payout wipers, and so does 3 oranges (via the 10 trace).

[DavidLee]

Kind of lost with what the problem was or is now.
You might want to take a look at the wipers for alignment on the boards.
Just as a process of elimination.
Check every position on every board as to be sure they’re in range to make a positive connection.

[wolftalk]

Kind of lost with what the problem was or is now.
You might want to take a look at the wipers for alignment on the boards.
Just as a process of elimination.
Check every position on every board as to be sure they’re in range to make a positive connection.

the problem is the machine won't pay 14 for plum-plum-plum-x (in either direction) unless the x is a cherry.  When x is a cherry, it pays the 14.  When x is something else, it doesn't pay.


similar issue with bell-bell-bell-x paying 20.


he verified continuity thru the reel wipers.


the only thing that makes sense is an issue on the payout counter with wiper->trace contact at reset.  A verification would be to set up a win that doesn't detect and manually step up the payout counter a couple times.  Unfortunately, the payout counter is electrically stepped, so manually stepping it is not convenient.

[filounet]

This is a machine that I bought that did not work and only paid for the 2 cherries
I resolded some missing wires, adjusted the wipers and the gains started to work.
I also checked the bords which are clean, well adjusted and all the wires are present.
Yesterday I cleaned all the tapes and the settings are good and the 3 plums pay normally but still not the 3 bells otherwise everything else pays normally.
I am writing down all the connections because it looks to me like some wires are missing and that is definitely the reason 3 bells are not paying.

[DavidLee]

Sounds like you have it narrowed down to tracing out the 3B circuit.
Good job on all that you have accomplished so far.

[filounet]

Hello,
 
After another big disassembly and cleaning, the 3 plums pay each time but still not the 3 bells unless they are accompanied by a cherry.
On the other hand when I have 3 bells and the fourth roll is not a cherry, if I shift it very slightly downwards then this starts the payment for the 20 coins but I specify that it is not about the combs that are improperly adjusted.

In the meantime, I had something weird, the 3 plums and the three bells paid off every time but the resetting was no longer done automatically, it had to be done by hand.
Frankly it is no longer to understand anything.

I also measured when there are 3 bells with or without cherry for the fourth roll and each time it gives less than 1 ohm ...

[DavidLee]

If you are slightly moving the 4th reel down to achieve a payout.
This suggests the contact wiper for that reel is misaligned.

[filounet]

Non car avec la cerise cela fonctionne donc je présume plutôt qu'il manque une liaison entre les deux rouleaux des extrémités ou une soudure....


[translation of above by google]


"No because with the cherry it works so I presume rather that a connection between the two end rollers or a weld is missing"

[DavidLee]

"If I shift it very slightly downwards then this starts the payment for the 20 coins but I specify that it is not about the combs that are improperly adjusted."

What is it that you’re shifting downward?

[wolftalk]

"In the meantime, I had something weird, the 3 plums and the three bells paid off every time but the resetting was no longer done automatically, it had to be done by hand."


the payout counter was not resetting?  Check the zero switch on the payout counter (see below pic)

"I also measured when there are 3 bells with or without cherry for the fourth roll and each time it gives less than 1 ohm ..."

that's correct.  If doesn't matter what is on the 4th reel.  A 3 bell win does not go through wiper connections on reel 4 (or reel 1 if the win is right-to-left).

your most likely problem possibilities are:

1] poor connection in reel or hopper plug<->socket
2] poor wiper->trace contact when the payout counter is reset
3] open-after-50 carriage switch with blue/yellow and whie/red wires not closed (see below pic)

if you want to measure resistance of the entire circuit, stick on probe on wire 90 on the reels and the other probe on grey/yellow wire 93 on the payout counter.  You'll need the reels and hopper installed and have a 3 bell no cherry win set up on the reels.  You're looking for almost zero resistance.   A few ohms is NOT good as there's multiple paths between wire 90 and 93 going through the transformer, coils or other resistors, so you will see non-infinite resistance between 90 and 93 regardless of where the reels are positioned.